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User:JaimeS User:Pyrrhus User:Canele User:MEandCFS User:Kmdenmark User:JenB notjusttired (talk) 19:26, 15 April 2019 (EDT)
- Ah thanks for flagging this, it does seem to need updating.
- It should probably be moved to MEpedia:Copyright policy or something similar?
- I'm not at all sure what the $2 or $1 is about? That should be either clarified or removed (personally I'm not expecting any compensation?)
- I wonder if we could revise to be a bit friendlier (while still conveying the seriousness)
- For clarity, I don't think copyright is the place to cover quality of sources. Folks have a tough enough time understand what is and isn't licensed properly, I think it's worth reserving this to address only that as clearly as possible.
- I'll propose a revision but I imagine it will need some help. Canele (talk) 19:55, 15 April 2019 (EDT)
- I’m not sure we’re looking at the right page here. This page may be an old copyright message that is no longer in use. The $1 and $2 are placeholders that are automatically substituted with the appropriate license info. (they are not dollar amounts as it may appear at first reading.)
- Pyrrhus (talk) 20:24, 15 April 2019 (EDT)
- The following is the copyright message that I see. It is very different from this page, and I don’t know where this copyright message is stored:
- ”By saving changes, you agree to the Terms of Use, and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL. You agree that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient attribution under the Creative Commons license.”
- Pyrrhus (talk) 20:28, 15 April 2019 (EDT)
- Ah, I see what you mean: it's not general documentation for the manual, it is--or would be, but it's not--the message that pops up when one goes to save an edit? In that case, perhaps this page can just be deleted? Although it would be useful to have some place in the documentation that explains copyright to editors in general terms. Canele (talk) 21:16, 15 April 2019 (EDT)
- That's right. It's possible that this page is the copyright message that popped up when you edited a page in previous versions of the MediaWiki software, but it was replaced when the software was upgraded. (?) See: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Copyrightwarning
- It's definitely a good idea to have some place in the documentation that explains copyright issues- I don't think we have that yet...
- Pyrrhus (talk) 23:22, 15 April 2019 (EDT)
- Ok in that case I'll go ahead and start MEpedia:Copyright policy for documentation purposes and perhaps we can move the portion of the conversation about what that should include over there? (I'm sure my draft needs updates, copyright is not among the things I know a lot about other than... it's important!) Canele (talk) 15:58, 16 April 2019 (EDT)
- There's nothing in the MediaWiki manual that I can find it explain where this message comes from, since it doesn't appear to come from this page after all. Could it be in a modified Special:AllMessages that's only visible to interface administrators? The Template:Welcome for new users explains a bit on editing, plus we now have the footer with a license link, although I think editors will generally miss that.
- If we choose not to add links to science guidelines, MOS, Editorial Guidelines etc here - then where can we put them so it's easy for editors to find, editors part of the Sidebar? - notjusttired (talk) 14:59, 16 April 2019 (EDT)
- That’s a good idea to add a “Guidelines” link to the Sidebar. We would probably want to just have one link instead of three, to avoid a bloated sidebar. The “Guidelines” link could simply link to Category:MEpedia guidelines?
- Pyrrhus (talk) 19:59, 16 April 2019 (EDT)
- Any further thoughts on adding a "Guidelines" link to the sidebar? We could put it right after "Contents" under "Links for Editors".
- Pyrrhus (talk) 22:17, 19 April 2019 (EDT)
- Seems like a good idea to me and I think you could bump Contents down (or even remove it, but that's just me.) Canele (talk) 22:21, 19 April 2019 (EDT)
Please note that all MEpedia content is covered by CC BY-SA 3.0 License: in brief, this means that when you click save on an edit, you agree to release your contribution for revision and redistribution by anyone who wishes. This facilitates the circulation of knowledge on ME as well as collaboration among MEpedia editors. However, if you do not wish to grant this release of something you have created (whether text, photograph, or other medium), you should do not add it to MEpedia.
Licensing MEpedia under CC BY-SA 3.0 also means that all work submitted must be compatible with that license. You may only add work you created yourself and thus have legal right to grant the license for; or, work copied from a source in the public domain or otherwise compatibly licensed for reuse. Do not add copyrighted work to MEpedia without first securing the correct license. As a rule, assume all work is copyrighted until you can confirm otherwise.
- There should be a "unless others noted" exception here. We have a significant amount of images either with no license set (mostly through fair use but some might have been uploaded without permission eg from tweets or clipart websites) - plus there's some images under a Non-commercial license from research, plus some public domain images etc. I do this this message could be helpful in pointing editors at what is / is not a reliable source and/or the Manual of Style - which a new anonymous editor recently missed and wanted to rename a page without following that. - notjusttired (talk) 14:59, 16 April 2019 (EDT)
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