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:::::Existing help info on dates when you click the ? icon brings up [[Help:CS1_errors]], see [[Help:CS1_errors#Check_date_values_in:_.7C.3Cparam1.3E.3D.2C_.7C.3Cparam2.3E.3D.2C_... here]] and [[MEpedia:Manual_of_style#Dates]] for some documentation. I've requested that developers look into if the American date setting is on, I am not sure but it's possible that this might fix the date generation formatting issues. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 13:26, 16 April 2019 (EDT) | :::::Existing help info on dates when you click the ? icon brings up [[Help:CS1_errors]], see [[Help:CS1_errors#Check_date_values_in:_.7C.3Cparam1.3E.3D.2C_.7C.3Cparam2.3E.3D.2C_... here]] and [[MEpedia:Manual_of_style#Dates]] for some documentation. I've requested that developers look into if the American date setting is on, I am not sure but it's possible that this might fix the date generation formatting issues. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 13:26, 16 April 2019 (EDT) | ||
::::::That’s very helpful too, Njt! Thanks! It would certainly be nice if we could solve some of the problems just by fixing a date setting! | |||
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Citations Guideline?
I notice that under "Learn more" there is "Citations Guideline to come".
Is someone still planning on writing a Citations Guideline or is this something that can be removed?
Thanks.
Pyrrhus (talk) 21:21, 14 March 2019 (EDT)
- I have removed that line. If anyone writes a “Citations guideline”, please put it back. Thanks.
- Pyrrhus (talk) 18:03, 15 April 2019 (EDT)
Dates
I am a bit confused about the “Dates” section. Are we supposed to use the three-letter abbreviation for months, or can we spell out the full month?
Pyrrhus (talk) 18:03, 15 April 2019 (EDT)
- One consideration is refs: I think some templates will spit out an error message if you only use the first three leters? So that might be a reason to go with the full name, if we'd like to standardize this. Canele (talk) 18:13, 15 April 2019 (EDT)
- Three letter months eg Jun is what I've been doing, I think that may already be the standard. Templates give errors for DD MMM YYY and YYYY-MM but not MMM DD, YYYY - or MMM YYYY - which is our standard. I tried to improve the help information that comes up with date errors a while ago. I don't know why but the citation generator comes up with the wrong date styles. notjusttired (talk) 19:34, 15 April 2019 (EDT)
- This is all new to me. I’ve seen User:Kmdenmark fixing “CS1” errors but I don’t know exactly what these errors are. Do we know which templates tend to spit out errors? Thanks.
- Pyrrhus (talk) 20:16, 15 April 2019 (EDT)
- Three letter months eg Jun is what I've been doing, I think that may already be the standard. Templates give errors for DD MMM YYY and YYYY-MM but not MMM DD, YYYY - or MMM YYYY - which is our standard. I tried to improve the help information that comes up with date errors a while ago. I don't know why but the citation generator comes up with the wrong date styles. notjusttired (talk) 19:34, 15 April 2019 (EDT)
- Here is a helpful Wikipedia link to CS1 errors for dates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:CS1_errors#ExamplesOfUnacceptableDates
- The most frequent error that our citation generator makes is "Ambiguous date range or year and month." E.g., it will generate a date as such: |date=2002-03. The computer doesn't know if you mean Mar 2002 or the years 2002-2003. The easiest correction is to change it to Mar 2002 or March 2002. You don't need to abbreviate the month, but if you do, the program wants a 3-letter abbreviation.
- The second most common date error is when the contributor uses the wrong punctuation. E.g., February 28 1900 will read as an error bec it has no comma; it must be changed to February 28, 1900 or 28 February 1900 or Feb 28, 1900 or 1900-02-28. Use of slashes also elicits an error message. E.g., 12/6/87 must be changed to December 6, 1987 or Dec 6, 1987 or 1987-12-06.
- I hope that helps. Kmdenmark (talk) 12:03, 16 April 2019 (EDT)
- That’s very helpful, Karen! Thanks! Now we need to incorporate this into the documentation somewhere. (And clarify how dates are to be formatted in the body of the text, too.)
- Pyrrhus (talk) 12:58, 16 April 2019 (EDT)
- Existing help info on dates when you click the ? icon brings up Help:CS1_errors, see Help:CS1_errors#Check_date_values_in:_.7C.3Cparam1.3E.3D.2C_.7C.3Cparam2.3E.3D.2C_... here and MEpedia:Manual_of_style#Dates for some documentation. I've requested that developers look into if the American date setting is on, I am not sure but it's possible that this might fix the date generation formatting issues. notjusttired (talk) 13:26, 16 April 2019 (EDT)