User talk:Pyrrhus
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Pyrrhus (talk) 19:13, 10 February 2019 (EST)
Timeless skin - path[edit source | reply | new]
Do you know the path to the Timeless skin folks on the server? Especially the .less and css files (there will be several), and the images folder? Eg /resources/screen-common.less and resources/images? User:Pyrrhus ~Njt (talk) 08:31, November 12, 2019 (EST)
- Njt I don't know, I'm sorry...
- Pyrrhus (talk) 12:18, November 12, 2019 (EST)
- Is OK, I found it by guessing, it's https://www.me-pedia.org/skins/Timeless/resources/screen-common.less etc ~Njt (talk) 18:59, November 12, 2019 (EST)
Translating ND/NC License Templates[edit source | reply | new]
Please check - these are new system messages to add in German, French, Spanish plus I thought it worth adding Dutch, English examples above. All wording comes from the relevant Creative Commons license page, or from pasting the correct link and license name over the top of an existing SA or CC-BY message for that language. I *might* be able to morph these into a XML file for importing so they won't need doing individually. I'm finding this is using a lot of concentration to do. CC-BY-SA-4.0 messages don't exist in Spanish (installing that Localization extension would create them for us, plus any others that are missing). I need to check these for invisible characters too notjusttired (talk) 08:08, August 15, 2019 (EDT)
- Okey dokey. I will check all these today or tomorrow and try to put together an XML file. Thanks User:Notjusttired for all your hard work! I will also add a draft developer task to run the LocalisationUpdate maintenance script to retrieve translations from translatewiki.net. (The LocalisationUpdate extension came bundled with our MediaWiki software.)
- Pyrrhus (talk) 14:07, August 15, 2019 (EDT)
- I think it's worth holding off on those for the moment. I've asked User:JaimeS to look at our choice on copyright licenses to confirm if we are keeping the Non-commercial and No-Derivs - it turns out we are only using then for 3 files at the moment. Plus asked her about continuing with the "Used with permission" exceptions - mostly used for advocates uploading selfies plus Millions Missing type photos. I had a quick look into the XML files. Looks easier than I thought - but would be important to run through an online XML validator before trying to import.
- What about the extra system messages you created for the 3 languages for Donate? You or I could put together a long (very long) list of pages names to cover those for all languages, so they can be exported (those that exist). notjusttired (talk) 17:38, August 15, 2019 (EDT)
- Okay, I'll hold off on these until you say otherwise. I found this message for "donate", but it's only translated into a few languages: MediaWiki:project-localized-name-donatewiki. I guess we should double-check that all these messages are really fully translated...
- Pyrrhus (talk) 23:23, August 15, 2019 (EDT)
- I think it's worth holding off on those for the moment. I've asked User:JaimeS to look at our choice on copyright licenses to confirm if we are keeping the Non-commercial and No-Derivs - it turns out we are only using then for 3 files at the moment. Plus asked her about continuing with the "Used with permission" exceptions - mostly used for advocates uploading selfies plus Millions Missing type photos. I had a quick look into the XML files. Looks easier than I thought - but would be important to run through an online XML validator before trying to import.
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This file is licensed under the [[{{int:wm-license-cc-wiki-link}}|Creative Commons]] [//creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/ Attribution-NoDerivatives 4.0 International] license.
wm-license-cc-by-nd-4.0-text/de
Diese Datei ist lizenziert unter der [[{{int:wm-license-cc-wiki-link}}|Creative-Commons]]-Lizenz [//creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/deed.de „Namensnennung - Keine Bearbeitungen 4.0 International“.]
wm-license-cc-by-nd-4.0-text/es
Este archivo se encuentra bajo la licencia [[{{int:wm-license-cc-wiki-link}}|Creative Commons]] [//creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/deed.es_ES Reconocimiento-SinObraDerivada 4.0 Internacional].
wm-license-cc-by-nd-4.0-text/fr
Ce fichier est sous la licence [[{{int:wm-license-cc-wiki-link}}|Créative Commons]] [//creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/deed.fr Attribution - Pas de Modification 4.0 International].
wm-license-cc-by-nd-4.0-text/nl
Dit bestand is gelicenseerd onder de [[{{int:wm-license-cc-wiki-link}}|Creative Commons]] [//creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/deed.nl Naamsvermelding-GeenAfgeleideWerken 4.0 Internationaal] licentie.
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NoDerivatives
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Keine Bearbeitungen
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SinObraDerivada
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Pas de modifications
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GeenAfgeleideWerken —
wm-license-cc-conditions-no_derivs-text
If you remix, transform, or build upon the material, you may not distribute the modified material.
wm-license-cc-conditions-no_derivs-text/de
Wenn Sie das Material remixen, verändern oder darauf anderweitig direkt aufbauen, dürfen Sie die bearbeitete Fassung des Materials nicht verbreiten.
wm-license-cc-conditions-no_derivs-text/es
Si remezcla, transforma o crea a partir del material, no puede difundir el material modificado.
wm-license-cc-conditions-no_derivs-text/fr
Dans le cas où vous effectuez un remix, que vous transformez, ou créez à partir du matériel composant l'Oeuvre originale, vous n'êtes pas autorisé à distribuer ou mettre à disposition l'Oeuvre modifiée.
wm-license-cc-conditions-no_derivs-text/nl
Je mag het veranderde materiaal niet verspreiden als je het werk hebt geremixt, veranderd, of op het werk hebt voortgebouwd.
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Same again but Non-commercial (we only have files in the v4.0 category so I haven't done the others, although they are currently options to choose). wm-license-cc-by-nc-4.0-text
This file is licensed under the [[{{int:wm-license-cc-wiki-link}}|Creative Commons]] [//creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/ Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International] license.
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NonCommercial
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You may not use the material for commercial purposes.
wm-license-cc-by-nc-4.0-text/de
Diese Datei ist lizenziert unter der [[{{int:wm-license-cc-wiki-link}}|Creative-Commons]]-Lizenz [//creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/deed.de „Namensnennung-Nicht kommerziell 4.0 International“.]
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Nicht kommerziell
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Sie dürfen das Material nicht für kommerzielle Zwecke nutzen.
wm-license-cc-by-nc-4.0-text/es
Este archivo se encuentra bajo la licencia [[{{int:wm-license-cc-wiki-link}}|Creative Commons]] [//creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/deed.es Atribución-NoComercial 4.0 Internacional].
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NoComercial
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Usted no puede hacer uso del material con propósitos comerciales.
wm-license-cc-by-nc-4.0-text/fr
[[{{int:wm-license-cc-wiki-link}}|Créative Commons]] [//creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/deed.fr Attribution - Pas d’Utilisation Commerciale 4.0 International].
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Pas d’Utilisation Commerciale
wm-license-cc-conditions-noncommercial-text/fr
Vous n'êtes pas autorisé à faire un usage commercial de cette Oeuvre, tout ou partie du matériel la composant.
wm-license-cc-by-nc-4.0-text/nl
Dit bestand is gelicenseerd onder de [[{{int:wm-license-cc-wiki-link}}|Creative Commons]] [//creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/deed.nl Naamsvermelding-NietCommercieel 4.0 Internationaal] licentie.
wm-license-cc-conditions-noncommercial-header/nl
NietCommercieel
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Je mag het werk niet gebruiken voor commerciële doeleinden.
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Same again, but nothing needed for the lower part of the license since it just lists both Non-commercial and No-Derivs, which already exist wm-license-cc-by-nc-nd-4.0-text
This file is licensed under the [[{{int:wm-license-cc-wiki-link}}|Creative Commons]] [//creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/ Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International] license.
wm-license-cc-by-nc-nd-4.0-text/de
Diese Datei ist lizenziert unter der [[{{int:wm-license-cc-wiki-link}}|Creative-Commons]]-Lizenz [//creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/deed.de „Namensnennung - Nicht kommerziell - Keine Bearbeitungen 4.0 International“.]
wm-license-cc-by-nc-nd-4.0-text/es
Este archivo se encuentra bajo la licencia [[{{int:wm-license-cc-wiki-link}}|Creative Commons]] [//creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/deed.es Atribución-NoComercial-SinDerivadas 4.0 Internacional].
wm-license-cc-by-nc-nd-4.0-text/fr
[[{{int:wm-license-cc-wiki-link}}|Créative Commons]] [//creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/deed.fr Attribution - Pas d'Utilisation Commerciale - Pas de Modification 4.0 International].
wm-license-cc-by-nc-nd-4.0-text/nl
Dit bestand is gelicenseerd onder de [[{{int:wm-license-cc-wiki-link}}|Creative Commons]] [//creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/deed.nl Naamsvermelding-NietCommercieel-GeenAfgeleideWerken 4.0 Internationaal] licentie.
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Persistent Infection Page[edit source | reply | new]
So great to see you here! I think it would be useful to create a page on persistent infection that has sections re: the ways (and evidence) for persistent infection in different families of viruses (and perhaps other pathogens) that also links to the main pages for those viruses. We could use this page: https://me-pedia.org/wiki/Persistent_infection_hypothesis or create a page on persistent infection that is a bit broader and not specifically about the evidence for/against its role in ME/CFS. I propose the latter. https://me-pedia.org/wiki/Persistent_infection --JenB (talk) 09:53, 20 February 2019 (EST)
- Good to see you back! I'll take your suggestion and go with the latter page. Please be patient, it may take me a while, but I'll get there eventually.
- Pyrrhus (talk) 22:09, 20 February 2019 (EST)
Citoid version -- notjusttired (talk) 05:42, July 16, 2019 (EDT)[edit source | reply | new]
Hi. Can you explain how Citoid fixed work? Does the extension need updating to include them? How do we know which patches / fixes need a code update and which are for an external service? I noticed some fixed are labeled as waiting for deploy notjusttired (talk) 05:42, July 16, 2019 (EDT)
- I can share my understanding, but my understanding may be incomplete:
- There is an external citoid server which performs the actual conversion from URL to citation.
- The citoid extension mostly exists just to connect the VisualEditor to the external citoid server.
- The default citoid server that the citoid extension connects to is probably https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/#!/Citation/getCitation but I'm not sure about that. Thanks to the Wikimedia Foundation for providing this free service.
- Zotero is a non-profit that develops citation management software that includes a "Translation server" to convert URL's to citations.
- Wikimedia Foundation has adapted Zotero's "Translation server" as the code for the citoid server.
- Although the non-profit Zotero frequently updates their "Translation server", Wikimedia Foundation doesn't implement the updates that frequently. More info: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Citoid/Determining_if_a_URL_has_a_translator_in_Zotero
- Wikimedia Foundation currently stores their citoid server code on Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/62/
- I assume that when a bug on Phabricator is moved from "Waiting for deploy" to "Resolved", it means that the fix has been deployed from Phabricator to the external citoid server.
- The Citoid extension should only be updated when the MediaWiki software itself is updated, as each version of MediaWiki requires its own version of the citoid extension.
old messages[edit source | reply | new]
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File upload bug[edit source | reply | new]I'm not seeing this issue. Does refresh / reload the page show the newer version? Is it only the thumbnail that is incorrect, rather than the enlarged image when you click on it? There might be a configuration setting that could be set to an hour instead. ~Njt (talk) 19:06, November 3, 2019 (EST)
--content removed-- New copyright system messages[edit source | reply | new]We already have translations for nearly all of these as system messages, from the Wikimedia messages pack, as used by Template:CC-by-sa-layout and Template:Cc-by-layout. Translations are in many languages, not just the ones we added individually. User:Pyrrhus
See also MediaWiki_talk:Copyright-used-with-permission#Low_priority_tasks and wm-licenses messages 11:26, October 31, 2019 (EDT)
Import messages for translations[edit source | reply | new]I hope you are doing OK. When you are able to can you please do
Code can be found User_talk:Notjusttired/cleanup#Mediawiki:No-reason here and I have responded to / fixed the queries you had. Thanks ~Njt (talk) 15:22, October 21, 2019 (EDT)
Easier translations[edit source | reply | new]I have found a much quicker / easier way to import translations that does not involve creating code directly. It can only be done for standard messages like the pagetriage- ones. Basically it involves using [1] and pasting in the list of system messages, saving the file and doing an import of it. It will ask for an interwiki reference - if there isn’t one “tw” could be used. Below is a last of file names to paste into the Export box. The import with Special:Import. Any missing messages are skipped. I have split them into two lists to make the import more manageable. ~Njt (talk) 23:33, October 6, 2019 (EDT)
--content removed-- pl onwards to export/import[edit source | reply | new]User:Pyrrhus This is ready to export from translatewiki using Special:Export, and then Special:Import. It's probably best to do in 2 different files so I put a gap in the middle. ~Njt (talk) 18:21, October 8, 2019 (EDT)
--content removed-- Translations: Chinese[edit source | reply | new]I just want to check on Chinese, you listed zh as a language we should translate all templates into, but I want to check if you actually mean zh-hant (Chinese traditional). I don't think there is a general "zh" for Chinese, I see zh-hant or zh-hans (Chinese Simplified) only in translatewiki. Zh-hant seems more widely used. Njt (talk) 17:52, September 25, 2019 (EDT)
System message suggestions -- notjusttired (talk) 16:21, August 15, 2019 (EDT)[edit source | reply | new]
notjusttired (talk) 16:21, August 15, 2019 (EDT)
System messages to use[edit source | reply | new]Instead of creating new system messages, these already exist on MEpedia and could be useful
Despite the fact the pages come up as red links all these already exist as system messages. I haven't checked if these have translations, and I don't know which system message contains the disclaimer about medical advice or the heading message we customize. With the heading message, we can keep it in English so it's always up to update. notjusttired (talk) 17:44, August 15, 2019 (EDT)
Collapsing lists[edit source | reply | new]Hey, I noticed your query about collapsing lists and thought I'd leave you some links with info about formatting those in source editor as well as Wikipedia guidance on using them or not. It's not my area of expertise but generally speaking, I believe WP recommends against using them in mainspace (unless the collapsed/hidden info is truly only supplementary rather than essential to the topic) because of some accessibility issues, and that instead it's best to split off pages when lists become unwieldy. So that would recommend for making the Contents page into a clean list of major overhead categories, and then each would have a subpage. But, like I say, not usually among the questions I deal with so, yes, in case the details here can be of any use:
Hope that may be of help! Canele (talk) 19:25, 10 April 2019 (EDT)
Changes to Primers[edit source | reply | new]Thanks for making clarity changes on the Primers. There are five Primers and if you could make the changes to all five, that would be helpful. Primer for doctors and researchers Primer for family, friends and care providers --77.111.245.5 18:04, 15 February 2019 (EST) Thanks for letting me know! I'll go do that, and in the future I'll make changes to all 5 primers as appropriate. Thanks. Pyrrhus (talk) 18:45, 15 February 2019 (EST) Add topic re updates[edit source | reply | new]I made the changes you requested. Let me know if everything is to your liking. The programming work you have been doing has been outstanding! Thanks so much Kmdenmark (talk) 18:02, 17 May 2019 (EDT) Pivot skin fixes[edit source | reply | new][edit source | reply | new]Can you copy these to your pivot.css and see if they work on desktop / larger screens? Donate seems fine to me, I'm less sure on the footer bleed issue. Thanks notjusttired (talk) 08:03, 20 May 2019 (EDT)
/* fix footer bleed by fixing negative padding */
footer { margin-left: 0!important; margin-right: 0!important;}
/* make donate look like button */
#n-donate {
margin-left: 0.25em;
}
#n-donate a {
display:inline-block;
}
[edit source | reply | new]Powered by was actually under the test of the footer and is finally hidden. Disclaimers and Cookie statement had both been given a line each, I've moved them to the same line. They don't seem to join with the previous line though. Adding some centering too. The footer always begins right of the sidebar too. notjusttired (talk) 17:33, 21 May 2019 (EDT) #footer-developers,
#footer-cookiestatement {
padding-right: 2rem;
display: inline;
text-align: center;
}
#footer-left,
#footer-places,
#footer-disclaimers,
#footer-privacypolicy,
#footer-about {
display: inline;
text-align: center;
}
/* removed powered by mediawiki - which has several different names oddly */
#footer-poweredbyico,
#footer-poweredby,
.poweredby {
display:none;
}
/* center block - won't overlap sidebar */
#footer-left {
display: inline-block;
width: 100%!important;
text-align: center;
padding-right:8px;
}
/* UNTESTED CODE */
/* make donate look like button */
#n-donate {
margin-left: 0.25em;
}
#n-donate a {
display:inline-block;
}
/* center donate button in sidebar */
#n-donate {
text-align: center;
}
/* fix footer bleed by fixing negative padding */
footer { margin-left: 0!important; margin-right: 0!important;}
/* expand footer-left and hide footer-right */
#footer-right-icons {
display: none;
}
#div-footer-left {
width: 100%;
}
/* make text lines into a paragraph */
li#footer-lastmod,
li#footer-viewcount {
float: left;
margin-right: 0.5em;
}
/* make links all in a row */
li#footer-privacy,
li#footer-about,
li#footer-disclaimer,
li#footer-developers,
li#footer-cookiestatement {
float: left;
margin-right: 2em;
}
/* center footer text */
ul#footer-left {
text-align: center;
}
/* END UNTESTED CODE */
Disambiguation template and __DISAMBIG__[edit source | reply | new]Hi. The disambiguation template already includes the magic word __DISAMBIG__ so there's no need to add it. A page containing {{disambiguation}} means add the contents of the disambiguation page, including any magic words that are in it. (Three curly brackets {{{ }}} around something pass a parameter value into any templates, in case you see that. notjusttired (talk) 09:03, 24 May 2019 (EDT)
-- notjusttired (talk) 21:08, June 2, 2019 (EDT)[edit source | reply | new]Hi. Check out MediaWiki_talk:Vector.css - now with the "What is this page?" info put in a template. Any template can be added to a page using {{ }} - just like you would if marking a page as a stub. The remaining bits are the parameters (values passed in that control what it does) eg {{lowercase|HELLO}} would use a template called "lowercase" and pass it the parameter {{{1}}} (1 - with 3 curly brackets) - which would have the value HELLO. Some templates to check out are Template:Tmbox and Template:imbox - of documentation is missing you can find it on the same pages at wikimedia Commons or Wikipedia.
Pivot code[edit source | reply | new]If you have time can you give this a test. Should change small screens to call the website #MEPEDIA not MEPEDIA. Also a small layout change for main page too. Thanks for your last feedback on pivot. Many changes to follow yet on Timeless - mostly for editing tools and pages used by editors. Surprisingly timeless does not allow mobile users to edit on Wikipedia - lots of layout issues for mobiles. notjusttired (talk) 19:34, June 9, 2019 (EDT)
section#middle-nav .title a::before {
content: "#";
font-family: Oswald, sans-serif;
font-style: italic;
font-variant: normal;
margin-right: -0.15em;
}
.mw-body li.gallerybox div.thumb {
padding: 0;
}
/* main page centering contents list in wikitable at top */
.wikitable > * th > p {
text-align: center;
}
out of date extensions -- notjusttired (talk) 07:06, July 16, 2019 (EDT)[edit source | reply | new]Some particular ones that look worth upgrading:
These seem worth doing before the upgrade of MediaWiki. Obviously there's an argument for updating every extension to the latest version rather than just these. Most include many translation or localization updates. Some are clearly going to be very low priority. Most date from September 2017 - Special:Version Thoughts? 07:06, July 16, 2019 (EDT)
Pages in need - Articles needing an image[edit source | reply | new]Articles needing an image is currently not helpful / too hard to see what's important or what to focus on. I thought it might be helpful to split this page into sections by main category (researchers, treatments etc) and have longest pages listed first. I wondered if you wanted to update this, link to escape codes below. Perhaps the first 10 longest posts at the top of the page, then subheadings for researchers, potential treatments, etc, the contents would let people jump to the category they are interested in User:Notjusttired#Pages_in_need
Translations to check -- notjusttired (talk) 19:20, August 23, 2019 (EDT)[edit source | reply | new]I think I remember you you speak some German or other languages. If you are able to check any of these that would be great. Particularly I wouldn't want them to accidentally read "no cleanup has been specified / provided " - they should say "No reason given." and be part of the message on the cleanup template, underneath "this page may require a cleanup". I don't remember which languages you speak so have included them all notjusttired (talk) 19:20, August 23, 2019 (EDT)
Category split[edit source | reply | new]Hi, I have opened a discussion at Category talk:People with ME, CFS, and/or FMS. Guido den Broeder (talk) 20:40, September 2, 2019 (EDT) Teamwork[edit source | reply | new]Hi, it is probably worth mentioning somewhere that the ME/CVS-Stichting, the ME/cvs Vereniging and the Steungroep ME en Arbeidsongeschiktheid usually work in concert. (That way they get 3-6 people at the table to one or none from the ME Vereniging Nederland, rendering ME advocacy in the Netherlands an uphill battle.) Guido den Broeder (talk) 05:26, September 12, 2019 (EDT) upload of language file -- Kmdenmark (talk) 15:40, September 12, 2019 (EDT)[edit source | reply | new]The file upload worked!!!!! (Hopefully) Let me know if this meets your needs. Kmdenmark (talk) 15:40, September 12, 2019 (EDT) Guidelines and policies -- Njt (talk) 21:56, September 20, 2019 (EDT)[edit source | reply | new]Hi. A number of different templates, system messages and possibly Modules refer to Category:MEpedia guidelines, or possibly Category:MEpedia documentation - can we instead just add new policies to the existing guidelines instead? Or list then there. It will be a lot of work to find all the links and will take some time to get everything working without it. Njt (talk) 21:56, September 20, 2019 (EDT)
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