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User talk:Notjusttired

2019-11-17T05:25:11Z

Tom cfs:New theory of cfs

== New theory of CFS ==

Hi. I have a new theory of CFS. I'm not sure this is the best forum, but I'd love it if you'd take a look.

https://cfstheory.blogspot.com/2019/11/new-theory-of-cfs.html

Thanks! -Tom

==subpages==
[[User_talk:Notjusttired/cleanup]]

==Leave me a message ==

Could you explain what you are doing to the [[fatty acid]] and the [[antibody]] pages? You are removing important links that are there to remind us that we need to create these pages. Red links help us to figure out which important pages need to be created, such as the [[fatty acid]] and the [[antibody]] pages. By removing important red links, we lose track of which pages need to be created. All your changes will need to be reverted when the pages are created. If you are looking to simplify things, then we can get rid of the categories, rather than the main pages for the categories. In this case, we would combine all pages in the category into the main page for the category, so that we have one page, rather than a whole category. Please explain.
<br>[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 00:29, October 11, 2019 (EDT)
:I already discussed this with [[User:Kmdenmark]] as I think you've already seen [[Talk:Single_nucleotide_polymorphism here]] - others you tagged earlier did not respond. Those pages won't have enough content to be worthwhile do terms are now added to the glossary. They have been stub pages for many years rather than wanted pages - I have looked for content and there is simply too little to justify a page. Fatty acids is a category that does not need a summary article in my view, plus there are articles for very long chain fatty acids, short chain fatty acids, etc. Please think carefully about making mass reverts without checking. [[User:Pyrrhus]] ~[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 09:26, October 11, 2019 (EDT)

Messages I've seen:

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Hi Njt! I just wanted to briefly clarify what I said on Kmdenmark's talk page. I'll use bullet points because I find it easier to organize my thoughts:
* There are three different language settings in MediaWiki:
** The wiki's default language setting (specified in LocalSettings.php)
** The page's content language setting (reflected by the language code suffix such as "/de")
** The reader's preferred language setting (specified in preferences, for now)

* The visible screen in MediaWiki is divided into user interface and content.
** The user interface should always match the reader's preferred language setting.
** The content should always match the page's content language setting.

*Now, template messages mostly count as user interface, not as content, so templates mostly follow the reader's preferred language, not the page's content language. This is why templates use <nowiki>{{int:}} or {{int:lang}}</nowiki>, since these parser functions follow the reader's preferred language, not the page's content language.
*However, when you're editing content inside a regular page, your content should follow the page's content language. In this case, you should use <nowiki>{{PAGELANGUAGE}}, not {{int:}}</nowiki>. Of course, since each language gets their own page via a suffix like "/de", you probably won't need to use either.

*Example: [[Template:Cleanup]] displays a message about the page at the top of the page. This is best considered part of the user interface, not part of the page itself. Therefore, this template will follow the reader's preferred language and use <nowiki>{{int:}}, not {{PAGELANGUAGE}}</nowiki>.
*Example: [[Glossary/de]] is a content page. Therefore anything added to this page should follow the page's content language, not the reader's preferred language. To put it another way, the content of a page ending in "/de" should be in German, no matter what the reader's preferred language is.
*More complicated example: [[Template:Citation needed]] displays a message embedded inside the content of a page. Does this make it part of the user interface or part of the page content itself? If we consider it part of the user interface, then it should use <nowiki>{{int:lang}}</nowiki>. However, if we consider it part of the page content then it should use <nowiki>{{PAGELANGUAGE}} instead of {{int:lang}}</nowiki>. This is kind of a grey area, but the more I think about it, it should probably be considered part of the content, not part of the user interface. Therefore, we should consider switching it from <nowiki>{{int:lang}} to {{PAGELANGUAGE}}</nowiki>.

*NOTE: <nowiki>{{PAGELANGUAGE}}</nowiki> does not yet work, as it needs a developer change in order to make sure that it returns the same language as the "/de" suffix.

Hope this is clear!
<br>[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 00:04, September 7, 2019 (EDT)
:Thanks for the great explanation. Does PAGELANGUAGE use system messages? I guess having a main page in different languages would probably be too much to maintain? Although if it was possible to create them using system messages it might be simple since the page doesn't change often. Do you know if the word Portal is translated in the user interface? I think it might not be. A more recent developer tasks list would be appreciated on Slack since I am not sure if we have requested certain things or not. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 09:23, September 7, 2019 (EDT)
::PAGELANGUAGE is just a global system variable that returns the page content language of the current page. I don’t think having the main page in different languages will be such a big deal, it’s short and it doesn’t change much. Plus, you don’t need admin privileges to create [[Welcome to MEpedia/de]], like you would need in order to create a system message. But more importantly, if someone chooses to view the German version of the main page using the interlanguage links in the sidebar, then they should expect to see the page in German, not in whatever their reader preferred language setting might be at the time, which is why system messages are to be avoided in a content page. This will all probably become much clearer when the developer changes are made and we can test things out for ourselves. I’ll send you a link on Slack to the “DRAFT Developer Suggestions” as it currently stands. Hope this helps.
::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 20:41, September 7, 2019 (EDT)
:::Great! My thinking with system messages was to use without '''int:''', eg <nowiki >MediaWiki:mymessage/{{PAGELANGUAGE}}</nowiki > [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 15:51, September 8, 2019 (EDT)
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==Category banners: Medical hypotheses and Potential treatments ==
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'''Compatibility with all skins'''

Both the pivot and Timeless (dark) skins rely on classes being used - without that no banner appears on the Pivot skin and the colors are messed up on Timeless skin (it adds a dark shadow to text to improve contrast: it's also a "low vision" skin). Current banners are created by [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] Javascript using the following classes and css (note: banner position can be moved below heading if "append" is used instead of "prepend").
<pre>
//$(".mw-body-content").css ("background-color","#f8d6c2");
//$(".toc").css ("background-color","#f8d6c2");
$(".firstHeading").prepend ('<div style = "margin:auto;padding:20px;width:100%;text-align:center;background-color:#00ee54;">This is a <a href = "/wiki/Category:Potential_treatments">Potential treatments</a> page</div>');

// pivot fix
$("h1.title"...
</pre>
So any h1 headings should apply <code><nowiki>class="title"</nowiki></code> and text not using the "h1" style should include <code><nowiki>class="firstHeading"</nowiki></code>.
We should probably move these colors to [[MediaWiki:Common.css]], perhaps creating a class for each banner style with the relevant background and font colors.

Suggested new formatting: using low vision sky blue to slightly improve contrast, fixing text color rather than changing depending on if the link has been visited or not, and a text shadow to improve visibly.

Add to [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]
<pre>
.title {
background-color: #56b4e9;
color: white;
margin:auto;
padding:20px;
width:100%;
text-align: center;
font-size: 1.8em;
text-shadow: 1px 1px black;
}
.title a.link:active, .title a.link:hover,
.title a.link:visited, .title a.link,
.title a {
color: white !important;
font-weight: bold;
}
</pre>
Change code on [[MediaWiki:Top-notice-Biopsychosocial model]] to:
<pre>
<div class="title" style="background: #56b4e9">This is a [[:Category:Medical_hypotheses|Medical hypothesis]] page.</div>
</pre>
~[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 16:55, October 25, 2019 (EDT)[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 16:40, October 25, 2019 (EDT)[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 16:08, October 25, 2019 (EDT)

Code now above. I think I over-complicated explanation - won't add new features, just better color contrast and text shadow which works on all skins (light and dark). Once confirmed working small updates needed to [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] for both Potential treatments and Medical hypothesis banners. Pretty much looks like this (but with a link):

<div style="margin:auto; padding:20px; width:100%; text-align:center; background-color:#56b4e9!important; font-size: 1.8em!important; color: #fff!important; text-shadow: 1px 1px black;">This is a <span style="font-weight:bold">Medical hypothesis</span> page.</div>

::[[User:Pyrrhus]] ~[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 16:55, October 25, 2019 (EDT)

:This sounds like a new feature request. You can start a new section for this request at [[MediaWiki talk:Common.js]]. This talk page will be deleted once I am done testing the new banner.
:[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 16:31, October 25, 2019 (EDT)

::I think I understand now. One question: Is "title" a new CSS class or an existing class? If it's a new class, maybe we should choose a more unique name such as "custom-header" or something that won't conflict with other classes? [[User:Notjusttired]]
::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 18:25, October 25, 2019 (EDT)
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==Bulk Import==
{{Done}} {{Thanks}} [[User:Kmdenmark]]
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==Translations to do ==
Pyrrhus may change footer text or links eg [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-developers]] and it's URL

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Cleanup Reason given is
[[User:Pyrrhus]] can you also do these 3 imports. [[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 06:54, September 28, 2019 (EDT)
:{{done}} 181 pages imported. Please check to make sure that all pages were correctly imported.
:[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 19:00, September 30, 2019 (EDT)

::Great, thanks. There's just the German one that I must have got the wrong message in. I've tagged you in the talk page with the right translation. ~[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]])|
:::Cleanup-reason-is all done so code deleted ~[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 20:31, October 6, 2019 (EDT)
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===No-reason custom message (done)===
Basically an export of Lqt_noreason messages, but with the message name changed. Ready to import [[User:Pyrrhus]]. ~[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 23:45, October 6, 2019 (EDT)
::All done.{{collapse top}}
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<timestamp>2009-09-15T16:34:01Z</timestamp>
<contributor>
<username>Leinad</username>
<id>921</id>
</contributor>
<model>wikitext</model>
<format>text/x-wiki</format>
<text xml:space="preserve" bytes="18">Nie podano powodu.</text>
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<page>
<title>MediaWiki:No-reason/pt</title>
<ns>8</ns>
<id>178383</id>
<revision>
<id>1727893</id>
<parentid>243351</parentid>
<timestamp>2009-12-05T02:00:11Z</timestamp>
<contributor>
<username>Hamilton Abreu</username>
<id>2715</id>
</contributor>
<model>wikitext</model>
<format>text/x-wiki</format>
<text xml:space="preserve" bytes="36">Não foi especificado nenhum motivo.</text>
<sha1>avtjeyv5wb49krj6tbgx32c1bhdhnhn</sha1>
</revision>
</page>
<page>
<title>MediaWiki:No-reason/ru</title>
<ns>8</ns>
<id>132336</id>
<revision>
<id>1446038</id>
<parentid>183803</parentid>
<timestamp>2009-08-22T07:30:26Z</timestamp>
<contributor>
<username>Kv75</username>
<id>2463</id>
</contributor>
<comment>correction</comment>
<model>wikitext</model>
<format>text/x-wiki</format>
<text xml:space="preserve" bytes="35">Не указана причина.</text>
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<page>
<title>MediaWiki:No-reason/sv</title>
<ns>8</ns>
<id>191517</id>
<revision>
<id>262234</id>
<timestamp>2008-02-18T08:13:15Z</timestamp>
<contributor>
<username>M.M.S.</username>
<id>802</id>
</contributor>
<model>wikitext</model>
<format>text/x-wiki</format>
<text xml:space="preserve" bytes="22">Ingen anledning given.</text>
<sha1>cycjvls08gyso44n0t7c0p3os4p3oo6</sha1>
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</page>
<page>
<title>MediaWiki:No-reason/vi</title>
<ns>8</ns>
<id>254886</id>
<revision>
<id>350621</id>
<timestamp>2008-04-11T03:42:28Z</timestamp>
<contributor>
<username>Vinhtantran</username>
<id>709</id>
</contributor>
<model>wikitext</model>
<format>text/x-wiki</format>
<text xml:space="preserve" bytes="23">Không đưa ra lý do.</text>
<sha1>242zviqquhnat6dle2aurg8pbgs6kin</sha1>
</revision>
</page>
<page>
<title>MediaWiki:No-reason/zh-hans</title>
<ns>8</ns>
<id>512160</id>
<revision>
<id>1445831</id>
<parentid>698700</parentid>
<timestamp>2009-08-22T07:06:14Z</timestamp>
<contributor>
<username>FuzzyBot</username>
<id>646</id>
</contributor>
<comment>Updating translation from external source</comment>
<model>wikitext</model>
<format>text/x-wiki</format>
<text xml:space="preserve" bytes="18">未给出原因。</text>
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</revision>
</page>
<page>
<title>MediaWiki:No-reason/zh-hant</title>
<ns>8</ns>
<id>125571</id>
<revision>
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<parentid>175199</parentid>
<timestamp>2014-05-26T17:35:19Z</timestamp>
<contributor>
<username>Cwlin0416</username>
<id>4987</id>
</contributor>
<model>wikitext</model>
<format>text/x-wiki</format>
<text xml:space="preserve" bytes="18">未說明原因。</text>
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</page>
</mediawiki>

</pre>
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==Stub==

{{System message translations|Pagetriage-tags-stub-label}}
(not ready)

custom messages
*[[MediaWiki:Pagetriage-tags-stub-label/ast]] Entamu
*[[MediaWiki:Pagetriage-tags-stub-label/bg]] Мъниче
*[[MediaWiki:Pagetriage-tags-stub-label/cs]] Pahýl
*[[MediaWiki:Pagetriage-tags-stub-label/el]] Λήμμα προς επέκταση
*[[MediaWiki:Pagetriage-tags-stub-label/hr]] Mrva
*[[MediaWiki:Pagetriage-tags-stub-label/ml]] അപൂർണ്ണം
*[[MediaWiki:Pagetriage-tags-stub-label/mni]] ꯑꯇꯦꯟꯕ
*[[MediaWiki:Pagetriage-tags-stub-label/my]] ဆောင်းပါးတို
*[[MediaWiki:Pagetriage-tags-stub-label/nb]] Stubbe
*[[MediaWiki:Pagetriage-tags-stub-label/no]] Stubbe
*[[MediaWiki:Pagetriage-tags-stub-label/pt]] Esboço
* (change value) [[MediaWiki:Pagetriage-tags-stub-label/pt-br]] Provisória
*[[MediaWiki:Pagetriage-tags-stub-label/qqq]] Translation of the word Stub.
*[[MediaWiki:Pagetriage-tags-stub-label/ro]] Ciot
*[[MediaWiki:Pagetriage-tags-stub-label/sr-ec]] Клица
*[[MediaWiki:Pagetriage-tags-stub-label/uk]] Заготовка

==[[MediaWiki:Moodbar-action-reason-required]] ==
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[[User:Kmdenmark]] can you please create these? ~[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 20:27, October 11, 2019 (EDT)
:{{done}} [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 14:52, October 15, 2019 (EDT)

*[[mediawiki:Moodbar-action-reason-required/es]]<pre>
Proporciona una razón.</pre>
*[[MediaWiki:pagetriage-tags-cleanupreorganise-desc/es]]<pre>
Esta página necesita una reorganización para cumplir con las recomendaciones de diseño.</pre>

*[[MediaWiki:pagetriage-tags-cleanupreorganise-desc/fr]]<pre>
Le contenu de cette page a besoin d’être réorganisé pour respecter les recommandations.</pre>

*[[MediaWiki:pagetriage-tags-cleanupreorganise-desc/nl]]<pre>
Deze pagina heeft extra referenties of bronnen nodig voor controleerbaarheid.</pre>
:Great, {{Thank}} ~[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 16:57, October 15, 2019 (EDT)
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===Navigation translations ===
Done
*[[MediaWiki_talk:Pagetriage-tags-cleanup-desc]] for template:Cleanup
*[[mediawiki:Gettingstarted-lightbulb-heading]] Pages to improve
*[[MediaWiki:Qbbrowse]] Browse
*[[MediaWiki:Externalguidance-specialpage-contribute-title]] Ways to contribute

==Translations: Licenses ==
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If anyone of you could help with the translations below I would really appreciate it. It's to help Non-English speakers upload files. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 06:45, August 16, 2019 (EDT)
[[User:Hannosch]] [[User:sigridjones]] [[User:Sisyphus]] [[User:Guido den Broeder]] [[User:DaviSpain]]

If you want to add languages you speak to your user page you can find user boxes on [[Template:Userbox]] Thank you [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 06:45, August 16, 2019 (EDT)

===License system message test===
* Unknown_copyright|{{int:copyright-i-dont-know}}
* CC-by-sa-3.0|{{int:copyright-own-sa-simple}}
* CC-by-nd-4.0|{{int:copyright-own-nd-simple}}
* CC-zero|{{int:copyright-own-pd-simple}}

* {{int:wm-license-cc-conditions-attribution-header}}{{colon}}
** PD|{{int:copyright-pd}}
** PD-USGov|{{int:Copyright-pd-usgov}}
** GFDL|GFDL{{colon}} GNU Free Documentation License
** LGPL|LGPL{{colon}} GNU Lesser General Public License
** FAL|{{int:wm-license-fal}} (artlibre.org)
** CC-zero|Creative Commons Zero - {{int:copyright-pd}}

* CC Share-Alike:
** CC-by-sa-4.0|Creative Commons ShareAlike 4.0
** CC-by-sa-3.0|Creative Commons ShareAlike 3.0
** CC-by-sa-2.5|Creative Commons ShareAlike 2.5
** CC-by-sa-2.0|Creative Commons ShareAlike 2.0

* CC Attribution only:
** CC-by-4.0|Creative Commons Attribution 4.0
** CC-by-3.0|Creative Commons Attribution 3.0
** CC-by-2.5|Creative Commons Attribution 2.5
** CC-by-2.0|Creative Commons Attribution 2.0

* CC other:
** CC-by-nc-4.0|CC NonCommercial 4.0
** CC-by-nc-3.0|CC NonCommercial 3.0
** CC-by-nc-2.5|CC NonCommercial 2.5
** CC-by-nc-2.0|CC NonCommercial 2.0
** CC-by-nc-nd-4.0|CC NonCommercial No-Derivs 4.0
** CC-by-nd-4.0|CC No-Derivs 4.0

* {{int:Other}}{{Colon}}
** Fair_Use_License|{{int:Copyright-fair-usage}}{{Colon}} {{int:Copyright-explain-exception}}
** Other_license|{{int:Other}}{{Colon}} {{int:Copyright-leave-explanation}}

==English ==
* Unknown copyright
**I don't know exactly
* I created this and anyone can copy it but don't alter it, and credit me as the author
* I created this and anyone can alter or copy it, but credit me as the author
*I created this and I don’t care what anyone does to it, no one has to credit me as the author

* Free licenses:
** Public domain
** Public domain US Government
** Free Art License

* Other:
** Fair Use: Please explain the copyright exception (e.g. scholarship/research)
** Other: Please leave detailed explanation

#[[Template:Used with permission]]
#[[Template:Fair Use License]]
#[[Template:Unknown copyright]]
#[[Template:Copyright violation]]

==Français==
*GFDL: Licence de documentation libre GNU
*LGPL : licence publique générale limitée GNU
* Attribution - Pas d'Utilisation Commerciale - Pas de Modification 4.0 International (CC BY-NC-ND 4.0)

* Unknown copyright
**I don't know exactly
* I created this and anyone can copy it but don't alter it, and credit me as the author
* I created this and anyone can alter or copy it, but credit me as the author
*I created this and I don’t care what anyone does to it, no one has to credit me as the author

* Free licenses:
** Public domain
** Public domain US Government
** Free Art License

* Other:
** Fair Use: Please explain the copyright exception (e.g. scholarship/research)
** Other: Please leave detailed explanation

#[[Template:Used with permission/fr]]
#[[Template:Fair Use License/fr]]
#[[Template:Unknown copyright/fr]]
#[[Template:Copyright violation/fr]]

==Deutsch==
Done

*Nicht kommerziell - Keine Bearbeitungen 4.0 International (CC BY-NC-ND 4.0)
*Nicht kommerziell 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)
*Keine Bearbeitungen 4.0 International (CC BY-ND 4.0)
*Namensnennung - Attribution
*GFDL - GNU-Lizenz für freie Dokumentation
* wm-license-gfdl-1.3-only plus wm-license-gfdl-1.2-and-later - GFDL text
* wm-license-gpl-text - GFDL explanation
* wm-license-gfdl-wiki-link - GFDL link

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* Unbekanntes Copyright
**Ich weiß es nicht sicher
* Ich habe dies erstellt und es darf von jedem genutzt werden, aber bitte verändere es nicht und nenne mich als Autor
* Ich habe dies erstellt und jeder darf es verändern und kopieren, aber bitte nenne mich als Autor
* Ich habe dies erstellt und es ist mir egal, wie es genutzt wird, niemand braucht mich als Autor zu nennen

* Freie Lizenzen:
** Öffentliche Domain
** Öffentliche Domain US-Regierung
** Lizenz für freie Kunst

* Weitere:
** Fairer Gebrauch: Bitte erläutere die Ausnahmen vom Copyright (z.B. Stipendium/Forschung)
** Andere: Bitte detailliert erläutern

#[[Template:Gebrauch mit Erlaubnis]]/de
#[[Template:Lizenz zum fairen Gebrauch]]/de
#[[Template:Unbekanntes Copyright]]/de
#[[Template:Verstoß gegen das Copyright]]/de
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==Español ==
* Unknown copyright
**I don't know exactly
* I created this and anyone can copy it but don't alter it, and credit me as the author
* I created this and anyone can alter or copy it, but credit me as the author
*I created this and I don’t care what anyone does to it, no one has to credit me as the author

* Free licenses:
** Public domain
** Public domain US Government
** Free Art License

* Other:
** Fair Use: Please explain the copyright exception (e.g. scholarship/research)
** Other: Please leave detailed explanation

#[[Template:Used with permission/es]]
#[[Template:Fair Use License/es]]
#[[Template:Unknown copyright/es]]
#[[Template:Copyright violation/es]]
==Nederland ==
* Unknown copyright
**I don't know exactly
* I created this and anyone can copy it but don't alter it, and credit me as the author
* I created this and anyone can alter or copy it, but credit me as the author
*I created this and I don’t care what anyone does to it, no one has to credit me as the author

* Free licenses:
** Public domain
** Public domain US Government
** Free Art License

* Other:
** Fair Use: Please explain the copyright exception (e.g. scholarship/research)
** Other: Please leave detailed explanation

#[[Template:Used with permission/nl]]
#[[Template:Fair Use License/nl]]
#[[Template:Unknown copyright/nl]]
#[[Template:Copyright violation/nl]]

==Other==
* Unknown copyright
**I don't know exactly
* I created this and anyone can copy it but don't alter it, and credit me as the author
* I created this and anyone can alter or copy it, but credit me as the author
*I created this and I don’t care what anyone does to it, no one has to credit me as the author

* Free licenses:
** Public domain
** Public domain US Government
** Free Art License

* Other:
** Fair Use: Please explain the copyright exception (e.g. scholarship/research)
** Other: Please leave detailed explanation

#[[Template:Used with permission]]
#[[Template:Fair Use License]]
#[[Template:Unknown copyright]]
#[[Template:Copyright violation]]

I've tried to translate it into Dutch an French but it isn't that easy. These Copyright terms are quite specific and ifrequently used in ordinary language. So perhaps you could let other Dutch/French speakers check if it sounds ok. - Sisyphus
:Thanks for your help [[User:Sisyphus]], I will do that with the copyright specific ones. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 17:50, August 17, 2019 (EDT)

* English
* Dutch
* French

* Unknown copyright
* Auteursrecht ongekend
* Copyright inconnu

* I don't know exactly
* Ik weet het niet precies
* Je ne sais pas exactement

* I created this and anyone can copy it but don't alter it, and credit me as the author
* Ik heb dit gemaakt en iedereen mag het kopiëren, maar wijzig het niet en vermeldt me als auteur
* J'ai créé ceci et tout le monde peut le copier mais ne le modifie pas, et créditez-moi comme auteur

* I created this and anyone can alter or copy it, but credit me as the author
* Ik heb dit gemaakt en iedereen mag het kopiëren en wijzigen, maar vermeldt me als auteur
* J'ai créé ceci et tout le monde peut le copier ou le modifier mais créditez-moi comme auteur

* I created this and I don’t care what anyone does to it, no one has to credit me as the author
* Ik heb dit gemaakt en iedereen mag het gebruiken naar goeddunken; je hoeft me niet als auteur te vermelden
* J'ai créé ceci et tout le monde peut l’utiliser comme il veut ; one ne doit pas me créditer comme auteur.

* Free licences
* Vrije licentie
* Licence libre

* Public domain
* Publiek domein
* Domaine public

* Public domain US Government
* Publiek domein, overheid van de Verenigde Staten van Amerika
* Domaine public, gouvernement des États-Unis

* Free Art License
* Vrijekunstlicentie
* Licence Art Libre

* Fair Use: Please explain the copyright exception (e.g. scholarship/research)
* Faire Use: verduidelijk alstublieft de uitzonderingen op auteursrecht (bijv. voor studiebeurzen/ onderzoek)
* Faire Use: explique les exceptions au droit d’auteur (p. ex. bourse/recherche scientifique)

* Please leave detailed explanation
* Geef alstublieft een gedetailleerde verklaring
* Laissez des explications détaillées

* Template: Used with permission
* Sjabloon: gebruikt met toestemming
* Modèle: utilisé avec permission

* Template:Fair Use License
* Sjabloon: Fair Use licentie
* Modèle: Licence Faire Use

* Template: Unknown copyright
* Sjabloon: ongekend auteursrecht
* Modèle: Copyright inconnu

* Template: Copyright violation
* Sjabloon: Inbreuk tegen het auteursrecht
* Modèle: Atteinte au droit d'auteur

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==Archived messages ==

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===Tweet ===
Hey Njt! I noticed a weird error message regarding the Tweet/doc page at [[:category:Pages_with_incorrect_formatting_templates_use]]. I really don’t know what to make of it, maybe it makes more sense to you... Cheers!
<br>[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 20:07, July 6, 2019 (EDT)
:Do you mean the date script error? I think the Math extension might be needed for that template (which isn't in use yet). It fails because the Extract template it uses doesn't work. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 15:13, July 7, 2019 (EDT)
:Now fixed [[User:Pyrrhus]] [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 06:29, August 6, 2019 (EDT)

===Re: Leave me a message -- [[User:Sigridjones|sigrid.jones]] ([[User talk:Sigridjones|talk]]) 04:20, August 6, 2019 (EDT)===

Thank you! I just added some user boxes. Happy to be here. Best regards, Sigrid --sigrid.jones (talk) 04:05, August 6, 2019 (EDT)

===Deleting pages problem ===
Hi [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]]! I started deleting some of the pages you cited for deletion, however, without them the references no longer populate, so I restored several. Please advise. Thanks, [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 16:44, June 26, 2019 (EDT)
:Hi [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]]! I see that the "Articles for deletion" category is broken, and it is showing a number of template pages that were never marked for deletion. I will look into the problem later on today or tomorrow and then I will get back to you. In the meantime, please restore the following templates that still need to be restored: [[Template:Chem2]], [[Template:Chem2/doc]], [[Template:Citation needed/doc]], [[Template:Composition bar]], [[Template:Composition bar/doc]], [[Template:Coord/doc]]. Thanks!
:[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 17:16, June 26, 2019 (EDT)
::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] Thanks! Take your time with it. I'll restore the ones deleted and will ignore the list until further notice. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 17:40, June 26, 2019 (EDT)
:::Yikes! [[User:Kmdenmark]] All the ones I marked for deletion today start with "Template:Template:" so those should be fine to delete, and all should have a similarly named page with "Template:" just mentioned once. I can't imagine what happened here. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 18:05, June 26, 2019 (EDT)
::::Please hold off on deleting anything. There maybe some weird unanticipated link between the templates we want deleted and those we don’t want deleted...
::::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 18:26, June 26, 2019 (EDT)
:::::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] and [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]], I'll hold off from deleting anything for now. I'm assuming that keeping the pages for now will not interfere with other operations. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 11:51, June 27, 2019 (EDT)
::::::[[User:Pyrrhus]] [[User:Kmdenmark]] I believe it's fixed now. I accidentally marked 2 templates that are needed for deletion, and they must be transclusions, so they added the deletion category to every template that used them. Can you please add protection to these 2 pages to prevent this happening again - the pages are [[Template:Template_other]] and [[Template:Template_error_report]]. The pages I had intended for deletion all had "Template:" in the name not just "Template", and all should be blank except for the deletion category. Perhaps you can both check if [[:Category:Articles for deletion]] looks right now. I'm really sorry for the problems caused by my mistake. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 14:16, June 27, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::looks good to me, thanks njt!
:::::::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 14:48, June 27, 2019 (EDT)

===Pivot===
Hi Njt! Hope you’re enjoying your weekend. In case you missed it, the Pivot skin comes with some configuration variables. For more info, see https://pivot.wikiproject.net/wiki/Pivot_features
<br>Here is some example code you may be interested in:
<pre>
$wgPivotFeatures = [
'navbarIcon' => true,
'addThisPUBID' => 'ra-5cdfe8dacb9028fa'
];
$wgAddThisSidebar = true;
$wgAddThispubid = 'ra-5cdfe8dacb9028fa';
</pre>
(Code obviously comes after <nowiki>wfLoadSkin( 'pivot' );</nowiki>.) Hope this helps.
<br>[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 17:40, May 25, 2019 (EDT)
::I've seen that, thanks. The publisher ID I requested and should sort the sidebar issue. Oddly the side bar setting does not work as you'd expect given the name! The logo setting might be withwhile but only applies to the smallest mobiles and puts the logo in the centre of the top bar! I've swapped the font and style of the title bar for the moment, and got it displayed #MEpedia. See code on [[MediaWiki_talk:Pivot.css]] for .p-logo-text. When the weekend is over In going to put in a request to add the MEAction fonts for ALL skins, which will mean we can use the logo text style anywhere. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 17:51, May 25, 2019 (EDT)

Hi! Just checking if you need me to make any other changes. Hope all is well [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 17:31, 16 May 2019 (EDT)
:Thank you for the offer of help. I'm making a lot of changes to the 2 new skins so that would be great. Can you do the new code for Timeless, like you did for the Pivot one? It's on here [[MediaWiki_talk:Timeless.css]] and needs to overwrite [[MediaWiki:Timeless.css]] totally, which will be easier than deleting the sections causing layout issues. Thanks again [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 15:41, 17 May 2019 (EDT)

===Archived ===
"Hi Njt! I noticed the following suggestion of yours in the Dev queue of [[MEpedia:Suggested_tasks]]:
<br>"Create custom Special page for tracking pages using NeedsImage template requested by User:Notjusttired"
<br>I was under the impression that this page accomplishes this: [[:Category:Articles_that_need_an_image_or_photo]]
<br>Am I wrong or missing something? Thanks.
<br>[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 19:22, 28 March 2019 (EDT)
::Have done that now. I originally hoped to add or as a Tracking category in special pages so it's easy to find, but there's no simple way to do this. Would rather focus on other dev tasks.
::Have you got any thoughts on different skins? I added some to the Dev queue including a dark one. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 17:18, 30 March 2019 (EDT)
:::BTW, I recently created a page to collate all those weird special pages together: [[MEpedia:Pages in need]]
:::The idea is that there would be a link in the lefthand sidebar to this "Pages in need" page so that contributors would have quick access to all these weird special pages. I'm pretty clueless on skins, so no opinion here, but I'll try to take a look. Thanks for all your help, Njt!
:::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 18:47, 30 March 2019 (EDT)
:::okay, I’ve finally taken a look at skins. It looks like you are recommending TimelessDarkCSS as a light-sensitive option and Pivot as the Mobile option. Is this correct?
:::Also, i note that your user page mentions “collapsible lists”. Do you know of any way to do that? That would be ideal for the Contents page...
:::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 18:59, 10 April 2019 (EDT)

::::Hi Pyrrhus. Yes to the Timeless-DarkCSS for those with photophobia or preferring a dark background.
::::The '''Pivot''' skin is brilliant for mobile devices and tablets but actually looks excellent on a Desktop (in my view) - Timeless without the dark CSS is a serif font I seem to remember and also looks good on mobiles, tablets and desktops. The norm is to default to Vector for wikis but Vector is really hard work on small screens because you can't hide the side menu - either you zoom and scroll a lot or need the most amazing vision.
::::Assuming these get installed and work as well as expected it should be nice to have a button to flip to the dark skin for those '''not logged in '''. I haven't seen the code to do this yet though. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 16:44, 11 April 2019 (EDT)
:::::okay, here’s what it looks like we should do:
:::::#Install Timeless-DarkCSS and Pivot skins
:::::#Put two links in the lefthand/top sidebar: “Light-sensitive interface” and “Mobile-friendly interface”. These links will bring up instructions for how to switch skins in the user’s Preferences. When we find the code for a not-logged-in-user button, we’ll replace the links with buttons.
:::::#If the Pivot interface turns out to be as good as you say, we should talk about making Pivot the default interface for all devices.
:::::Does that look right?
:::::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 17:25, 11 April 2019 (EDT)

::::::Yes, that's right, although I think calling it "dark view" or "dark version" would be better. Dark timeless is simply a skin called Timeless with extra CSS, Timeless has almost the same features as Pivot so it might be a case of seeing whether Timeless in white is more popular than Pivot - I prefer Pivot myself. There's 2 different ways to automatically switch skins for mobile users [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Simple_mobile_skin_auto_change/en&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop Method 1] and [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MobileFrontend Mobile Frontend method] which would allow desktop users to stay on Vector automatically. If you want to checkout hope they look on different screen sizes then [https://quirktools.com/screenfly/ Screenfly] is pretty good [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 18:50, 11 April 2019 (EDT)
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==Renaming?==

I renamed this page to use the US spelling, as per the Manual of Style. [[User:kmdenmark]]
But should the category be renamed to '''British Organizations'''?
This would be easier to browse from [[:Category:Organizations]] because the country make would be first and the name is shorter. The same issue is there for Universities.
This would also fit with the Standard MEpedia country categories eg [[:Category:British research initiatives]].
I've created a temporary [[MEpedia Page Outlines]] for both Universities and Organizations but would welcome input / Ch changes from others. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 18:14, 20 February 2019 (EST)

::The changes are fine with me. I have no attachment to either way. I think "Organizations based in the United Kingdom" is a bit long and awkward but it's the category title that Wikipedia uses. ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Category%3AOrganizations+based+in+the+United+Kingdom&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&advancedSearch-current=%7B%22namespaces%22%3A%5B0%5D%7D&ns0=1 Wikipedia page for "Organizations based in the United Kingdom"]) [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 19:03, 21 February 2019 (EST)
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==Categories for UK politicians==
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Hi. Can you avoid removing politicians from the categories for political parties? This is crucial information for advocacy and not held elsewhere. Labour/Co-op members are considered members of both parties so need to be in more than one category. Keeping them as categories allows someone to look for UK adbocates, then use the subcategories to find just politicians for political parties or fod which committee they are on - one committee is investigating the PACE trial Parties cover both MPs and the unelected House of Lords.

::Thank you for explaining the need for categories for politicians. I see your point and will not delete them anymore. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 14:29, 11 February 2019 (EST)

::::Thanks [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 19:01, 11 February 2019 (EST)

Also please don't mark redirects for deletion - they are there to help from the correctly spelled page - searching the incorrect name means MEpedia then find the correct page name too. notjusttired (talk) 13:06, 7 February 2019 (EST)

::Re: misspellings - I don't think misspellings should be honored with redirects. It is impossible to conceive of every misspelling that someone could use. I think the misspellings clutter the drop down menu in our search engine and make articles harder to find rather than easier. I support using redirects for alternative spellings, but not misspellings. If you can give me an example of one of the redirects you want to stay, it would help me understand your reasoning. I, also, eliminated some redirects where pages were not medically the same and to keep them as such would be inaccurate. A better way to link similar but different pages would be with links in the 'See also' section. (I don't know if you were the author of those redirects, but I wanted to explain why I eliminated those redirects, also.) My best, [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 14:29, 11 February 2019 (EST)

::::It depends on the reason for the mispelling and how common it is. Eg if you delete the redirect for [[Intestinal permiability]] and type of into a search the correct page name won't come up - there's no results. Delete redirects for different spacing in page names and that search phrase may not work any more (eg The M.E. Society vs The ME Society). There's also a few unexpected UK vs US spellings (diarrhoea), and a few researchers with names that are commonly mispelled or have very similar spellings, which sometimes means their research is under several different names (AT Anbu vs Theo Anbu). When it comes to linking redirects have a link icon next to the page name, so it's easy to pick the right one - although perhaps there is a hidden property that can be used.

::I'm fine with trying it your way. Let's watch how the redirects work and see if we get other feedback from users.
:::A couple specific points: Sometimes the search engine is extra slow or temporary not working; that may explain why the correct spelling for [[Intestinal permeability]] didn't come up when you originally searched. I tested it and it came up every time I searched this morning.
:::Re: British spelling. I wholeheartedly agree that redirects for British spellings should have redirects. The main title is to be in American spelling as per MEpedia manual of style. My best, [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 12:01, 12 February 2019 (EST)

:::::::: Thanks [[User:Kmdenmark]] - I've noticed performance problems but that has been loading pages rather than on searches. Maybe there's something else going on.

::::With making redirects for deletion, they need any pages using them to be updated first. The Contents page (which I can't edit) has a non-standard [[List of Quotes]] link, so deleting to use the correct capitalization breaks the link on the Contents page.
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==Messages I've seen ==
{{Read more|RE: Csn the Mike Beadsworth page be the main one, with Michael Beadsworth the redirect? Professionally he uses the name Mike far more.
Njt
[[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 13:58, 23 January 2019 (EST)

Sure, sounds good. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 17:19, 23 January 2019 (EST)

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Just FYI: On the Pathogen page, you have left the following typo: "_Chia_201dorferi_paper.png"

I can't fix the typo since I'm not sure what it was meant to say...

Best, Pyrrhus

[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 20:36, 10 February 2019 (EST)

Thank you [[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] - I'm not sure what image it was supposed to be so I added an alternative and fixed the problem. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 09:07, 11 February 2019 (EST)
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== Priorities ==
* Image copyrights to organize
* Check copyrights on ICC and other files
* Better symptom photos e.g. malaise, levels of fatigue and disability, symptoms
* Infographics template - XMP CC info, large size, site name only in corner (font as wiki?)
* Infographic & poster creation

== Brain fog tasks ==
* [[Articles that need an image or photo]]
* [[:Category:Articles with unsourced statements]]
* [[Add source and copyright to existing images]]

== Tips ==
* [[Science Guidelines]]
* [[Using the source_code editor]]
* [[Power user/editor tips]]

==Welcome to MEpedia!==
* [[How_to_contribute|How to contribute]]
* If you need ideas of improvements to make to MEpedia, See [[MEpedia_suggestions|suggestions]]
* [[Contents|MEpedia Contents]]

* To create new page, use one an outline: [MEpedia_article_outlines]

To see your contributions history, click Contributions in the top-right corner. To see recent contributions by others, click Recent Changes on the left. Not ready to edit pages, but want to suggest a change? On the page, just click Discussion, and write your suggestion there for others to see.|realName=Anonymous|name=Notjusttired}}

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===Messages ===
Notjustired: [[Severe and very severe ME]] Chronological order goes from earliest to latest. Citations are not placed under the study and instead, they are cited. If details like pages are necessary, they can be entered into the citation. --[[User:MEcfsFMS|MEcfsFMS]] ([[User talk:MEcfsFMS|talk]]) 09:51, 20 October 2018 (EDT)

Hi. Is that somewhere in the editorial standards? I don't remember reading it. I think it's important to add doi to citations of they aren't already in there. I will look at adding author links to the citations too. I created a talk page for the Severe ME image to discuss ideas.
[[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 10:15, 20 October 2018 (EDT)

:I put doi in and the PMID? But PMC causes an error and I don't think they have figured out why yet. Authors links don't get created and I thought they were in the "Reference" area.--[[User:MEcfsFMS|MEcfsFMS]] ([[User talk:MEcfsFMS|talk]]) 10:39, 20 October 2018 (EDT)

:I see, if the citation automatically creates the citation, authors internal links are created. If they have to be manually input then it does not seem to create them.

:That makes sense. I thought people had been spending ages manually adding them or copying and pasting the code for the most common ones. I normally automatically generate a citation, if it doesn't work I use another link or the doi, then replace the finished link with a full text link if necessary. Links from investinme and researchgate normally don't generate automatically so I use a PubMed link and overwrite the link only after the citation is generated.
Could you update the [[Manual of style]] with anything else that isn't in there?
I'll go back sort the citations I changed. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 10:53, 20 October 2018 (EDT)

== MOS - Dates ==

Hi Notjusttired:

Somewhere at some point early on, I remember the date format was to be US, Jun 10, 2016, and not 10 Jun 2016. I can't remember where or when I read this but a few of us started changing dates in UK format and going forward we used US format. I think Jen had posted about it but I'm not sure. Also, we were to change any UK spellings to the US spelling unless it was a quote.--[[User:MEcfsFMS|MEcfsFMS]] ([[User talk:MEcfsFMS|talk]]) 14:26, 31 October 2018 (EDT)

ty for letting me know, can you fix what I wrote on [[MOS]] - does the same apply to date in citations? Sometimes they cause an error so I presume I put them in as Jun, 28 2018 now?

:Yes, that is how I write in the citations, but move the comma so it is Jun 28, 2018 or Jun 2018. I will change MOS.--[[User:MEcfsFMS|MEcfsFMS]] ([[User talk:MEcfsFMS|talk]]) 14:43, 31 October 2018 (EDT)
- Will do, do you know about fixing the citation template error at all? Dates generated in the form 2018-06 always give an error when you generate a citation from a link - I presume it's possible to fix this? [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 14:49, 31 October 2018 (EDT)

== Fibromyaliga Page ==

Please be careful where information is added on the [[Fibromyalgia]] page. The blood test information you added should go on the [[Fibromyalgia notable studies]] page as it is not an accepted blood test yet. I moved the EpicGenetics blood test under the subheading "Blood tests" under "United States" and put the study you had added on the ''Fibromyalgia'' discussion page. You can post this research on the ''Fibromyalgia notable studies'' page.

I created and edited most of these pages starting with the username DxCFS. I lost my PW when FF crashed and could not get it back using the PW retrieval as there is something wrong with MEpedia carrying out this task. I have had many usernames because I am really bad with remembering my usernames and usually just use a VPN now.--[[Special:Contributions/77.111.245.10|77.111.245.10]] 12:07, 25 March 2019 (EDT)

:Also, the ''Fibromyalgia'' page became too long to use the "Edit" tab and the "Edit source" tab is not an option due to citations and that is why I broke ''Notable studies'' off. There is an area at the bottom of the ''Fibromyalgia'' page to post news articles about research as people usually want to read about research by media and bloggers and not the hard research.--[[Special:Contributions/77.111.245.10|77.111.245.10]] 12:13, 25 March 2019 (EDT)

:Thanks for the input - I've never edited that page before. I will update the redirects for blood test info - when I searched before adding it the Fibro Notable studies page wasn't near the top of the results (I don't recall seeing it at all). [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 16:49, 25 March 2019 (EDT)

== Simon Wessely Page ==
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Wessely Page - Hi Notjusttired. I'm currently editing the page on Simon Wessely by inserting many references. Please leave the page for a moment otherwise we crosspost and I loose all the changes which is many hours of work. Kind regards, Sisyphus.
:I've just seen your notice. I will leave alone. I am going to put some improved citations on the talk page and leave it at that. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 08:08, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

Thanks. It's ok now. The references have been inserted (It took a while). Could you delete the warning "This article may require cleanup to meet MEpedia's quality standards"? If not, could you explain which sections or claims you disagree with (for example in the discussion section of the page). Kind regards, Sisyphus.
::I will take a look. Did you see the citations I suggested on the talk page, including the Camelford ones? [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 10:45, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

I used some of them. I only briefly mention Camelford as an example where Wessely controversially pointed towards psychosocial factors in a case that isn't clear. More information about this could be posted on a seperate MEpedia page. I unfortunately do not know the details of this case, so I'll leave it to you and others. - Sisypus.
:[[User:Sisyphus]] Can you explain why so many sections have been removed or pretty much reverted? It was only recently changed about 3 weeks ago. It now reads as if everything Wessely claims via journalists or is in his research is a fact - even though at times he contradicts his previous statements so making it hard to know what he thinks. Eg the fact that Wessely claims CFS is part of MUS is his opinion, not a generally accept fact and that needs to be clear. In fact, one of the controversies around Wessely is him repeatedly making the claim that it can be classed as a psychological condition in the ICD-10 manual - despite confirmation from the World Health Organization that it is explicitly excluded and only classified as neurological. Including the death threats. The carefully phrased sections I added about those contesting his many claims are gone. He is known for saying one thing to one audience and something totally different to another. The links to the 3 pages of quotes complied from him are gone. I haven't seen a reason in the history or a mention of the removals or changes to the headings. Even his retirement claim is not a fact - he carried on publishing CFS research for years after "retiring". Eg police freedom of information act requests contradict that. As far as Wessely's claims of victimization go, we should be reporting "In a 2017 interview, Wessely stated that" but not in a way that suggests that it is factual. Wessely refused to appear before the UK's Gibson Enquiry which was pressing him for answers on his views. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 11:59, July 17, 2019 (EDT)

I tried to rewrite the page in full text and provide more context to his work and the controversies. I’m sorry if have deleted things without providing a reason why.
Regarding the ICD, I personally think he was trying to say that patients with the symptoms of CFS can be diagnosed as having CFS (G93.3) or neurasthenia/fatigue syndrome (F48.8) and don’t see this as a big issue. If you disagree, perhaps we can make a section on this under controversies. Regarding the quotes: I am not a fan of quotes without context, certainly if it is used to criticize someone or cast someone in a certain light. That’s certainly the case of the links you mention. If you want them restored perhaps we could use them as example of criticism of Wessely rather than as an resource of quotes from him? Regarding the death threats I’m ok with restoring the info for example regarding the freedom of information request. I didn’t think this was vital because the information doesn’t permit us to make conclusions about what happened. And regarding the Gibson Enquiry if Wessely did actually get serious death threats, than I could understand why he prefers not to be questioned about the details on this. So I don't think this means much. If you insist on including more info about this, perhaps there is enough to make a separate page on this (there’s also some relevant info about this from Valerie Eliot Smith’s blog). Kind regards, Sispyhus.
::I'm happy to have the quotes back under a heading "Quotes critical of Wessely" or similar. The classification of ME/CFS is a huge issue because it is part of his claims that it is not a disease / has no disease process and that it is psychological or mostly psychological which justifies the CBT and even GET. He refuses to acknowledge any science he does not like such as mitochondria or immune days. It's quite likely he quit research rather than having his work proved wrong. Same with Michael Sharpe, also from the PACE trial. Peter White of the PACE trial allegedly retired early from clinical practice to avoid GMC complaints that could have removed his license to practice (he was under investigation). Wessely also helped design the PACE trial - a crucial fact now missing from the top of his page. Wessely and his policies largely in control of UK treatment and has been for over a decade. Regular political questions on him and his [[Wessely school]]. Thanks to his attempts to re-classify the illness all UK ME/CFS treatment comes from a mental health health budget, he controls the media via the Science Media Centre, and gives numerous interviews making nasty persons attacks on patients. Wessely and Deale provided the key randomized controlled trial in the 1990s still used as "evidence" for CBT. The Gibson Enquiry was a scientific one, many years before he stated his death threat claims - which some have suggested are simply a way to detect from PACE trial criticism, since that's when they appeared. Absolutely nothing to fear from that except scientific scrutiny. Several Freedom of Information Act requests have shown that PACE trial critics are not harassing let alone threatening anyone. Although they tried to use this argument to prevent the release of the data. <br >
I feel that the page re-write portrays Wessely incorrectly as mostly not controversial, and portrays his science as student accepted, and endorses his views given in newspaper interviews as accurate and unbiased. He will make claims like Gulf War Illness doesn't exist, then later claim to have originally discovered it! He's also a social security advisor and does not believe patients should be entitled to disability benefits.As regards the quotes - they come from several charities and are certainly not taken out of context. It's very hard to see how many of the statements could be out of context given how rude and nasty they often are about patients, who he calls "disgusting" and "not wanting to get better".<br>
What do you think about adding back in the references that were removed, and then working together to tackle a section at once? I think it important to be very careful not to claim Wessely has reported the truth about himself since this is often untrue or contradicted (either by himself or by independent sources). [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 13:35, July 17, 2019 (EDT)

I have thought about your comments but I think we have to be neutral and objective on this. I don’t think the texts of Margaret Williams and Malcolm Hooper should be used as a basis for the MEpedia page for exactly this reason. The page already contains much criticism of Wessely. It says in the introduction that his work is controversial and has been repeatedly criticized and it already contains numerous controversial quotes of him (including the “not wanting to get better” one).
Regarding the quotes out of context: I do think this is a big problem. The one about ME merely being a belief for example has been circulating within the ME community as it were to mean that ME patients are malingering, which isn’t what Wessely was saying. These kinds of misunderstandings are very unfortunate and distract from the real issues with his work.
I also think the MEpedia page should not only be directed towards patients but also to outsiders such as journalists or researchers who want objective information about Wessely. So a link to a list of controversial quotes with comments mocking what he said seems inappropriate. There are plenty of blogs and articles that criticize his work or scrutinize every word he said during his career, looking for inconsistencies or poorly nuanced statements. I don’t think the MEpedia page should be another of these and instead should offer an overview of his work and career like we do with other pages on researchers. If you see further problems with the page, I don’t mind discussing it further. But I think the current version is well balanced. - Sisyphus.
:I think the issue we are disagreeing on here is mostly neutrality. While parts of the previous page were not put across in a way that was fully neutrally totally excluding critical sources has in fact done the opposite. We can look at phrasing at the amount of text given to criticism but removing it is entirely inappropriate. I have an issue with passing off Wessely's views as facts when they are not - such as claiming CFS is part of MUS. We should not be doing that on any researcher's page. There is no doubt that Wessely is controversial - in fact he has given a number of interviews knowing that they would be controversial. "Controversial" is not a negative judgement - the Enterovirus theory is also controversial. ME itself and much of the research is controversial. The fact is his research is controversial too - after all the CDC, NHS and others followed it and the CDC and others then dumped it, plus there was the Stop GET petition too. The Institute of Medicine report disputes it. On neurality, we also can't claim Wessely invented CBT for CFS when he actually was one of 3 - Trudie Chalder has separately claimed to be the inventer. I am going to make some edits today, keeping in mind what you have said, to add in more neutral phrasing on his research "Wessely stated", in "Sir Wessely's view" etc. And add back in some references critical. While Margaret Williams and Malcolm Hooper are very critical, that does not mean they should be totally left off the page - that's not neutrality - but neither should they be emphasized. Patient groups critical of Wessely should certainly be referenced, along with Freedom of Information Act requests since they are neutral and accurate. This might mean overall that less text is critical of Wessely than before, but that there are a large number of sources supporting certain points. Part of the guidelines we are writing for is to allow others to find out more information, so we do need to either reference or link to quotes or Hooper's Mental health movement, but also any articles praising him and summarizing his contribution. If Quotes aren't used as a heading then they could go in Learn more for example. Clearly given the significant time taken to collect all these, they do have significance and may bring people to do the page who are looking for "Weasel words" - in which case they would then see an article more balanced than just those quotes. Perhaps you would like to look for those, or have some in mind. Re: Malingering: Wessely has said exactly that, in fact using the phrase "malinger's charter". Part of the basis of his scientific arguments is that around the "secondary gain" - his work and especially interviews repeatedly make this claim. That doesn't necessarily mean that particular quote needs including, but it is representative of his views. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 07:12, July 18, 2019 (EDT)

With all the respect notjusttired but I disagree with some of your changes and would prefer the original to be reinstated. I don’t want to use an argument of authority here, but my text does include 135 references, mostly scientific publications. I have worked many months on this and I know what I’m talking about.
For example regarding the Gulf War syndrome: there’s not really a contradiction: his 1999 epidemiological study demonstrated that there was an adverse effect of going to the Gulf war that goes beyond deployed to war or being a soldier at that time period. So his study was one of the most important ones in demonstrating that the health of soldiers who went to the Gulf War was affected by something. But he doesn’t want to say there is a Gulf War Syndrome because there was no evidence for a unique constellation of signs or symptoms – the Gulf war veterans reported more of all the 50 symptoms assessed in the study. That’s his view and it’s unambiguously presented in his publications. It’s only by relying on fragmented quotes or misrepresentations by Hooper and Williams that things get obscure and that’s what I’m trying to avoid on the page.
Malingering is another example. There is no evidence that Wessely thinks CFS patients are malingering. In fact he has repeatedly warned against this idea, saying “there is little evidence to suggest that the fatigue results from impaired motivation, and the use of terms such as ‘malingering’ or ‘hysteria’ is to be deplored.” (Source: https://studylib.net/doc/7895242/chronic-fatigue-syndrome). He made similar arguments about Gulf War Syndrme (see minute 50 of this lecture: https://vimeo.com/52995882).
I can also attest that Wessely developed CBT for CFS: he was to first to publish about this in 1988 and to first to publish a trial on this in 1991. Chalder worked for him at the time so when she says she first developed CBT, she probably meant she was part of the team that did and that team was lead by Wessely. I highly doubt that she would contest that. She has no problem with crediting him, even about the scale that now bears her name: “I think its more Simons research than mine that we developed a fatigue scale, which is now called The Chalder fatigue scale.” (source: https://www.s4me.info/threads/13-march-2019-chalder-%E2%80%98medically-unexplained-symptoms%E2%80%99-my-clinical-and-research-journey-over-30-years.5576/page-3#post-152193)
I have reread the page and don’t understand what you mean by presenting Wesselys' view that CFS is part of MUS as a fact. I constantly use the phrase “they argued…” Williams and Hooper are allready on the page, they are references as examples of criticism of Wessely’s work. And I don’t quite understand why you made a separate heading for the PACE trial: Wessely wasn’t an author of the PACE trial. It seems weird to focus on this. He has published approximately 600 papers, several books and numerous newspaper articles – most which don’t get a mention because of a lack of space.
I’ve waited on editing the Wessely page until I’ve read most of his work and got an overview. By working this way I hoped to achieve a balance in attention each items receives without making the page too long. So please be mindful of that if you change things. Kind regards - Sisyphus.

"CBT is is based on a psychological and fatigue-based approach, with an expectation that exercise would normally be part of the treatment." is also not correct. In contrast to the CBT developed by Bleijenberg and Vercoulen, the CBT model developed at Kings' College does not necessarily include exercise. Instead it is focussed on graded actvity which can be increases in social activities, reading etc. Furthermore it is strange to describe it as a fatigue-based approach as it was inspired by the treatment of chronic pain. Wessely and other CBT-authors acknowledge this repeatedly.
::Do you mind if I move this conversion to the Talk page for Wessely? We are getting into what feels like a stalemate, I think input and suggestions from others would help. There shouldn't be a question on authority here, I would like to achieve a consensus and that should be possible. One of the very difficult issues with Wessely is that he contradicts himself, and these are worth pointing out. He will claim one thing in one place and another to a different audience - "malinger's charter" is a direct quote from him which he later contradicted (just as an example). So we should be careful in claiming his view or one thing or another when he himself has contradicted it elsewhere. The new section I will respond on in a moment, with a paste from the research to clarify.
::I recognize you have worked hard on this, but I think to make huge changes at all once causes issues for other editors. I also have worked extensively in this page, in Nov/Dec, and in March and then in June, plus on related topics recently - eg CBM model, and CBT. I too would prefer a revert to before you made the changes (!) but I think a looking towards a consensus would be a better approach. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 09:20, July 18, 2019 (EDT)

Yes perhaps it's best to move the conversion to the talk page for Wessely. Perhaps we can just copy paste what we wrote here so that others can follow our conversation?
I also agree in working towards a consensus. But changes need to be carefully argued with good references (not just something someone else has claimed on a blog or tweet). I haven't seen any evidence that Wessely often contradicts himself, excepts perhaps for his statements on not seeing Ean P. Of course if one dissects everything a researcher has said or published in the last 30 years, you'll always find something. But haven't noticed clear contradictions. I'm not aware however where the 'malinger's charter' quote comes from - was this during a lecture?
One option would be to add more detailed criticism and information about Wessely on a seperate page - for example 'Wessely school' and to add a prominent link on the Simon Wessely page to this one for further details on the criticism of his work, including what Hooper and Williams have written.
I apologize if I deleted information you saw as important. I tried to incorporate most in the text I've wrote. I appreciate the hard work you put into MEpedia.
{{collapse bottom}}

== Tagging -- [[User:Brettz9|Brettz9]] ([[User talk:Brettz9|talk]]) 16:06, July 23, 2019 (EDT) ==

Hi there... I'm really too drained and preoccupied to do much these days with the wiki, so if you wouldn't mind only tagging me in cases where I had added the content myself, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! [[User:Brettz9|Brettz9]] ([[User talk:Brettz9|talk]]) 16:06, July 23, 2019 (EDT)
:Sure [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 16:41, July 23, 2019 (EDT)

== Slow down ==

Please slow down with your edits on Dutch topics. You're making lots of mistakes. As I suffer from ME, I can't possibly keep up. [[User:Guido den Broeder|Guido den Broeder]] ([[User talk:Guido den Broeder|talk]]) 21:24, September 12, 2019 (EDT)
:I can slow down editing, although I have no yet seen evidence that I had said anything not supported by references [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 13:18, September 13, 2019 (EDT)
I am now asking you to stay away from the Dutch pages that I'm editing. If you don't do that voluntarily, I will ask for you to be topic-banned. [[User:Guido den Broeder|Guido den Broeder]] ([[User talk:Guido den Broeder|talk]]) 17:25, September 14, 2019 (EDT)
::Explain your reason please. There are several editors reversing your edits, you are not following editorial or science guidelines, and even reversing some manual of style changes at the same time (eg date format). And you have a clear conflict of interest with this topic because you are founder one Dutch charity and wrote here - on MEpedia - that you previously lead a revolt against changes in another. So I find this request of yours quite unexpected. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 20:03, September 14, 2019 (EDT)
:::This is not Wikipedia. Conflict of interest is not even defined here. If we were to apply the Wikipedia policy I would have a conflict of interest with every topic on this wiki, and so would all knowledgable editors, and the wiki would remain empty. So instead we just do the best we can, because it's important and there are only a few of us. All that you contribute on these pages is a lot of mistakes. That costs too much of my time and energy, so it needs to stop. There is plenty of technical work to do, so why don't you do that and leave the content to others. [[User:Guido den Broeder|Guido den Broeder]] ([[User talk:Guido den Broeder|talk]]) 20:27, September 14, 2019 (EDT)
:::With regard to dates: when I'm creating an article, I avoid using citation templates, because those clutter up the source text so badly that my ME brain can't cope very well. So the date format is irrelevant and I use the same format that I apply everywhere else, again saving time and energy. Content is important, minor differences in style are not. [[User:Guido den Broeder|Guido den Broeder]] ([[User talk:Guido den Broeder|talk]]) 20:51, September 14, 2019 (EDT)
::::So basically, you don't have a reason other than "mistakes". Please see the [[MEpedia:Manual of style]] including the talk page for it on dates. Everything here is US format, with short month names. It is up to you whether you use the Visual editor or not, but it would create ask the citations for you very quickly. Alternatively, just paste in the link as you do now, without the <nowiki >[ ]</nowiki >square brackets , then when you next use the Visual editor click it, and you will get a "Convert" option which will do so the citation for you. The citation template is not optional - but we are always keen to find ways to reduce the concentration needed to edit or read. I am somewhat surprised that you have not edited your own charity page now (I was on the website earlier but can't find some of the standard info we normally add). Brain fog I can never get used to. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 21:31, September 14, 2019 (EDT)

== Signature in section headers ==

Section headers should not auto-generate a signature in them. Not only does that makes things messy, it affects Google searches. Can you please change that back to default? [[User:Guido den Broeder|Guido den Broeder]] ([[User talk:Guido den Broeder|talk]]) 16:34, September 15, 2019 (EDT)
:This is an automatic feature on MEpedia for editors using the toolbar button. There is no option not to include the name and signature. If you want this to change you need find out how it works and request the change, although it may have been added because inexperienced editors were forgetting to sign their posts. MEpedia talk pages are not indexed. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 17:45, September 15, 2019 (EDT)
::Not so much inexperienced editors, but you do forget to sign your posts. Apparently, despite offering technical help, you don't have access to the backside of this wiki. That's OK, I will ask elsewhere. Could you explain what your offer of technical assistance means instead? [[User:Guido den Broeder|Guido den Broeder]] ([[User talk:Guido den Broeder|talk]]) 17:55, September 15, 2019 (EDT)

== Manual of style ==

The [[Manual of style]] was in part created by editors that are no longer around, with random edits by you in between. I intend to change it to make it easier for ME patients to contribute, before inviting other ME patients to join this project. For now, just remember that the MoS is not mandatory, especially not on pages that are still work in progress. They are guidance, not policy. Allowing users to contribute in a style that they feel comfortable with has priority. [[User:Guido den Broeder|Guido den Broeder]] ([[User talk:Guido den Broeder|talk]]) 17:36, September 15, 2019 (EDT)
:That is a ridiculous statement. I hope that you did not mean to suggest that the ill health of editors should be used to disregard their views and contributions entirely. It would appear that you have total disdain for the current MOS, editorial guidelines and science guidelines, and the fact that we have over 2,000 pages following these. Repeated uncivil behavior toward several users is also apparent. As I understand from your message here and your repeated failure to follow what has been agreed, you appear to have chosen not to engage with the process and feel that you will just change them as how you choose and without discussion. This is a collaborate project rather than a website you can simply hijack. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 17:57, September 15, 2019 (EDT)

==Guido den Broeder ==
I refuse to accept further messages from you on my talk page.
You are repeatedly harassing me and edit warring, and at times insulting me. This is not civil behavior.

In future, if you have something to say to me use the relevant article talk page instead. [[User:Guido den Broeder]] [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 17:57, September 15, 2019 (EDT)

User talk:Kmdenmark

2019-11-17T05:21:49Z

Tom cfs:New theory of cfs

[[/todolist]]

[[/templates]]

[[/Separate Site Notices]]

[[/Diagnostic biomarkers for ME/CFS]]

[[/EBV-dUTPase]]

[[/EET]]

[[/bulkimport]]

== New theory of cfs ==

Hi. I have a new theory of cfs. I don't know if this is the best forum, but I'd love it if you'd take a look:

https://cfstheory.blogspot.com/2019/11/new-theory-of-cfs.html

Thanks!
- Tom

==Leave me a message ==
Hi Karen! A quick note: When you go to protect a page, there is an option that says "Protect pages included in this page (cascading protection)". When we choose cascading protection, it will protect the page as well as any templates included in the page. Just to clarify, we do NOT typically want this option. Only in very rare cases might we want cascading protection, but in most cases, we will not want cascading protection. Hope this helps!
<br>[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 21:28, October 5, 2019 (EDT)
:Ok, thanks for the heads up. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 17:25, October 7, 2019 (EDT)

==Custom stub messages ==
[[User:Kmdenmark]] Can you do these system messages by just copying and pasting the new code across. ~[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 18:08, October 8, 2019 (EDT)

*Please change [[MediaWiki:Pagetriage-tags-stub-label/de]] to:
Stummel

:Did it but it seemed wrong so undid it.[[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 16:16, October 10, 2019 (EDT)
:sorry, this should have asked for [[MediaWiki:Pagetriage-tags-stub-label/de]] to be set to Stummel. I've updated the info now. The others were requests to create new [[MediaWiki:This-page-is-a]] messages, I will update below to make it clearer. Sorry for the confusion. ~[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 18:06, October 10, 2019 (EDT)
::{{done}} I added a period to "Dit artikel is een beginnetje $1" because all the others had it. If it needs to be removed, let me now. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 15:58, October 11, 2019 (EDT)

*Please create the follow system messages (ignore the "pre" tag), taking care not to copy include any leading or trailing spaces.

:I need more instructions. Do you want the following message on the page [[MediaWiki:Pagetriage-tags-stub-label]]? [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 16:16, October 10, 2019 (EDT)
::Thanks [[User:Kmdenmark]]. They look great. I made a mistake with one though, could you change [[MediaWiki:This-page-is-a/nl]] to:<pre>
Dit artikel is een $1.
</pre>

Thanks ~[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 16:37, October 11, 2019 (EDT)

::All done now, thanks :-) ~[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 18:50, October 11, 2019 (EDT)

[[MediaWiki:This-page-is-a]]<pre>
This page is a $1.
</pre>

[[MediaWiki:This-page-is-a/de]]<pre>
Dieser Artikel ist ein $1.
</pre>

[[MediaWiki:This-page-is-a/fr]]<pre>
Cette entrée est considérée comme une $1.
</pre>

[[MediaWiki:This-page-is-a/es]]<pre>
El contenido de esta página es un $1.
</pre>

[[MediaWiki:This-page-is-a/nl]]<pre>
Dit artikel is een beginnetje $1
</pre>

[[MediaWiki:This-page-is-a-stub]]<pre>
This article is a [[MEpedia:Stub|stub]].
</pre>

[[MediaWiki:This-page-is-a-stub/de]]<pre>
Dieser Artikel ist ein [[MEpedia:Stub|Stummel]] („Stub“).
</pre>

[[MediaWiki:This-page-is-a-stub/es]]<pre>
El contenido de esta página es un [https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Esbozo esbozo] ("stub").
</pre>

[[MediaWiki:This-page-is-a-stub/fr]]<pre>
Cette entrée est considérée comme une [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:%C3%89bauche ébauche à compléter] («Stub»).
</pre>

[[MediaWiki:This-page-is-a-stub/nl]]<pre>
Dit artikel is een [[MEpedia:stub|beginnetje]] ("Stub").
</pre>

==Replace text - neurological disease ==
Hi. Can you please use replace text to update a renamed category:
*from "Category:Neurological disorders" to "Category:Neurological diseases", and
If you can avoid adding the square brackets then this will change links to the category - <nowiki>[[:Category:Neurological disorders]]</nowiki > - as well as the pages that are in it. Thanks ~[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 13:01, October 7, 2019 (EDT)
:Another option is to combine the categories as "Category:Neurological diseases and disorders." I think that "disorder" is more accurate for some of the pages. E.g., Intracranial hypotension is a disorder resulting from various diseases, but is not considered a disease unto itself. Combining the categories will make it easier for people without medical backgrounds who may not understand the difference between the two classifications. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 17:25, October 7, 2019 (EDT)
::I wanted to go by the ICD really, which has "Diseases of the nervous system", or "Signs and symptoms" - which would go under symptoms not a neurological disease. I checked on Intracranial hypotension and it's under Diseases of the nervous system, and a subcategory for Other nervous disorders - so actually classed as both. I cave just recall what we are doing with making for non-neurological categories. I think there's a musculoskeletal one plus mental disorders. I think it's best to do the same for all, so if you wanted to do diseases or disorders for all that would be fine. ~[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 17:32, October 8, 2019 (EDT)
:::I'm going to change the category to "Neurological diseases and disorders." I think that classification would be the easiest for further editors. In the US, the ICD is viewed mostly as a taxonomy for billing codes for Medicare & Medicaid. US professional medical organizations have their own taxonomies and they are resistant to forfeiting that independence to an international committee.
:::Re: the example I gave about intracranial hypotension which is listed under G97. The codes for diagnoses listed in G97 is specifically listed as "complications and disorders of nervous system." I think the more accurate way to read it is that the listed disorders are carve outs from the list of diseases. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 12:51, October 9, 2019 (EDT)
::::Can you also use replace text to change "Category:Musculoskeletal disorders" "Category:Musculoskeletal diseases and disorders". [[User:Kmdenmark]]. Thanks. Also do we change thyroid category to thyroid diseases and disorders? ~[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 15:20, October 9, 2019 (EDT)
:::::I think the thyroid category can stay as it is because the only articles in the category are for diseases. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 18:24, October 9, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::{{Thank}} ~[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 18:48, October 11, 2019 (EDT)

==Citations needed ==
Can you please use the Replace text tool to replace all<nowiki> <ref>Reference needed</ref> with {{Citations needed}}</nowiki >. Thanks ~[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 01:20, October 4, 2019 (EDT)
:{{done}}
:[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 00:11, October 6, 2019 (EDT) {{Thank}} [[User:Pyrrhus]] ~[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 13:01, October 7, 2019 (EDT)

==Bulk import requests ==
Hi [[User:Kmdenmark]]. Are you able to do some bulk imports from XML files? [[User_talk:Notjusttired/cleanup#mediawiki:Pagetriage-tags-cleanup-desc User_talk:Notjusttired/cleanup]] contains several, each under different headings. If you scroll up from that link there's instructions, but basically start with a file exported from [[Special:Export]], then delete the contents, and paste the new code over the top (without the "pre" sections). Then save and use [[Special:Import]] to add. There should be under 100 in each file. I think if it only does part it will let you use the same file again, but skip those already done. [[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 18:56, September 25, 2019 (EDT)

==Page semi-protection ==
Hi. Do you have time to work through the list of pages to semi-protect? Currently in Slack. [[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 15:46, September 20, 2019 (EDT)
: I added protection to most of the list. Several pages I left unprotected because I didn't see that they were abused. I'm open to protecting them if they become a place of warring edits or vandalism. Let me know if you want additional pages protected. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 19:13, September 20, 2019 (EDT)
::Thanks, can you do the rest? These are the ones agreed with [[User:JaimeS]], who suggested some due to previous issues I wasn't aware of. There's also been some removal of info from some that wasn't described in edit summaries and has no justification. [[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 22:09, September 20, 2019 (EDT)
:::Let me double check with Jamie. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 11:10, September 21, 2019 (EDT)

==Ban requests (spam/promotional)==

*[[User:Bennysmith]]

Please ban thanks [[User:Kmdenmark]] [[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 06:49, September 20, 2019 (EDT)
:{{Thanks}}[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 15:45, September 20, 2019 (EDT)

==Ban request - spammer ==
New spammer appeared [[User:MindtechAffiliates.com]]. Please ban as usual. Thanks [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 08:30, September 18, 2019 (EDT)
: Done! [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) ::Thanks![[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 06:49, September 20, 2019 (EDT)

==Ways to contribute etc==
Can you please create these system messages [[User:Kmdenmark]]? Thanks [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 10:44, September 5, 2019 (EDT)
*[[mediawiki:Gettingstarted-lightbulb-heading]] Pages to improve
*[[MediaWiki:Qbbrowse]] Browse
*[[MediaWiki:Externalguidance-specialpage-contribute-title]] Ways to contribute
Done! [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 12:43, September 5, 2019 (EDT)
:Great, thanks! :-) [[User:Pyrrhus]] these now exist in English only. Perhaps you can start using these, then when the localization update extension is installed the translations will work automatically. The cookie statement and Developers text and links in the footer can be found [https://www.me-pedia.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllMessages&prefix=Wikimedia-&filter=all&lang=en&limit=200 here] and set to match another system message, or replace with a dash to remove from footer. "Pages in need" could be changed to "Pages to improve". [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 18:33, September 5, 2019 (EDT)
::[[User:Notjusttired]] Actually, there’s no need to create these pages, thanks. The xml file that I sent [[User:Kmdenmark]] last week already contains all the translations. Besides, I had to change the name of the interface message pages to our own names so as not to conflict with the extension developers choice of “qbbrowse”, etc. Thanks again.
::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 20:21, September 5, 2019 (EDT)
::[[User:Notjusttired]] Please note that the sidebar translations are all done, so you don’t have to worry about the sidebar at all. We’re just waiting for last week’s xml import and other admin tasks at [[user:Pyrrhus/AdminRequests]]. These admin requests will take time, and none of them are urgent.
::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 20:39, September 5, 2019 (EDT)
:::The idea behind this was to pull in messages for an extension we don't use, and to have those messages in many languages rather than just the few chosen ones. But it you don't think that's important we can leave it. "Ways to contribute" is not for the sidebar but for "How to contribute" pages or the footer [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 21:01, September 5, 2019 (EDT)
::::[[User:Notjusttired]] That makes sense. Maybe they’ll come in handy some day. I really like your idea of replacing the footer developer message with “-“ to prevent it from showing up! By the way, we’re technically not supposed to use “int:” inside the text of a mainspace page, since content pages are supposed to follow the page content language setting, not the reader’s preferred language setting. The page content language setting is reflected in the “/de” suffix to the page, but “int:” follows the reader’s preferred language setting. It is the job of the Polyglot extension to match these two settings where possible, but the two settings will not always be the same. Hope this is clear.
::::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 21:35, September 5, 2019 (EDT)
:::::Footer links can also be changed, so we could redirect people it to how to contribute to MEpedia instead. I will have to get my head around what you said about main content pages another day I think. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 17:53, September 6, 2019 (EDT)

==Older messages==

Hi Karen! If you have some free time, could you please replace the text in [[MediaWiki:Licenses]] with the following, without the <nowiki><pre></nowiki> tags. This will help us determine if it is possible to internationalize the descriptions in the page. (Two different methods are compared here.)
{{collapse top | Text for MediaWiki:Licenses}}
<pre>

* Unknown_copyright|I don't know exactly
* CC-by-nc-4.0|I created this and anyone can copy it but don't alter it, and credit me as the author
* CC-by-sa-3.0|I created this and anyone can alter or copy it, but credit me as the author
* CC-zero|I created this and I don’t care what anyone does to it, no one has to credit me as the author

* Free licenses:
** PD|Public domain
** PD-USGov|Public domain US Government
** GFDL|GFDL: GNU Free Documentation License
** LGPL|LGPL: GNU Lesser General Public License
** FAL|Free Art License (artlibre.org)
** CC-zero|Creative Commons Zero (public domain)

* CC Share-Alike:
** CC-by-sa-4.0|Creative Commons ShareAlike 4.0
** CC-by-sa-3.0|Creative Commons ShareAlike 3.0
** CC-by-sa-2.5|Creative Commons ShareAlike 2.5
** CC-by-sa-2.0|Creative Commons ShareAlike 2.0

* CC Attribution only:
** CC-by-4.0|Creative Commons Attribution 4.0
** CC-by-3.0|Creative Commons Attribution 3.0
** CC-by-2.5|Creative Commons Attribution 2.5
** CC-by-2.0|Creative Commons Attribution 2.0

* CC other:
** CC-by-nc-4.0|CC NonCommercial 4.0
** CC-by-nc-3.0|CC NonCommercial 3.0
** CC-by-nc-2.5|CC NonCommercial 2.5
** CC-by-nc-2.0|CC NonCommercial 2.0
** CC-by-nc-nd-4.0|CC NonCommercial No-Derivs 4.0
** CC-by-nd-4.0|CC No-Derivs 4.0

* Other:
** Fair_Use_License|Fair Use: Please explain the copyright exception (e.g. scholarship/research)
** Other_license|Other: Please leave detailed explanation

</pre>
{{collapse bottom}}

:::Done [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 12:44, August 26, 2019 (EDT)
::::Thanks [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]]! We have now tried a couple different ways to internationalize [[MediaWiki:Licenses]], but sadly none of them worked. :( I guess we now have to revert it back to its original contents. I have reverted the contents in the above "Text for MediaWiki:Licenses". If you have a moment, could you use the above to revert the page back to its original contents? Thanks!
::::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 22:10, August 27, 2019 (EDT)
::: [[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]], How far do you want me to rollback changes? I reverted the page to how it was on Aug 20. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 14:38, August 28, 2019 (EDT)
::::Hi [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]]. You can just use the version in the above collapsed text or just revert to this one from 1:35pm 20 August 2019: https://www.me-pedia.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Licenses&oldid=66845
::::Thanks so much!
::::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 17:14, August 28, 2019 (EDT)
:::::Hope it's right, [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 17:45, August 28, 2019 (EDT)
::::::Perfect! Thanks [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]]! I also have more translations for the lefthand sidebar to be imported. The import file was quite long, so I sent it to you over Slack. (These sorts of files are best shared over Slack because the foreign language characters may get corrupted if you tried to copy-and-paste it from MEpedia to your word processing program.) This file import is not urgent at all.
::::::Cheers, [[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 18:00, August 28, 2019 (EDT)

===Interwiki table update (completed!)===
Thanks Karen, for so quickly updating those two messages! And thanks for semi-protecting all those MEpedia documentation pages! Much appreciated. I have a question: when you go to the page [[Special:Interwiki]], is there an option for admins to add new entries to the Interwiki table? If so, we would like to add the following new entries so that links in standard interface messages don't show up as red links:
{| class="wikitable"
!Prefix
!URL
|-
|w
|<nowiki>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/$1</nowiki>
|-
|c
|<nowiki>https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/$1</nowiki>
|-
|s
|<nowiki>https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/$1</nowiki>
|}
<br>[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 13:40, August 13, 2019 (EDT)
: [[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] You're very welcome. Thanks for your work in making the site better. I was able to edit the table as requested. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 14:10, August 13, 2019 (EDT)
::{{Thank you}} You're my hero!
::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 14:50, August 13, 2019 (EDT)

'''Translatewiki'''- can do also do an interwiki link for:

Prefix:
translatewiki

URL:
<nowiki>https://translatewiki.net/wiki/$1</nowiki>

This should mean that the translatewiki website links we have start working.Thanks [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 08:55, August 23, 2019 (EDT)

: Done [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 12:40, August 26, 2019 (EDT)

==Language code import / export request==
Can try doing an export then import from WikiMedia's Commons, it should be very simple although I know you may not have done this before. <br >
'''Purpose:''' to get language codes like "en", "fr", "es" into the system messages without doing them one by one, that should then let <nowiki >{{int:lang}}</nowiki> (test here should show "en" -{{int:lang}}). This will come up with "en" or whatever language to use is using, so that we can get template messages translations displayed properly.

Task:
* Go to [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Export https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Export]
* in the '''Add pages manually box''' paste in this long list, without the "pre" bit:

{{collapse top}}
<pre >
MediaWiki:Lang
{{collapse top}}
MediaWiki:Lang/aa
MediaWiki:Lang/ab
MediaWiki:Lang/ace
MediaWiki:Lang/ady
MediaWiki:Lang/ady-cyrl
MediaWiki:Lang/ae
MediaWiki:Lang/aeb
MediaWiki:Lang/aeb-arab
MediaWiki:Lang/aeb-latn
MediaWiki:Lang/af
MediaWiki:Lang/ak
MediaWiki:Lang/aln
MediaWiki:Lang/als
MediaWiki:Lang/am
MediaWiki:Lang/an
MediaWiki:Lang/ang
MediaWiki:Lang/anp
MediaWiki:Lang/ar
MediaWiki:Lang/arc
MediaWiki:Lang/arn
MediaWiki:Lang/arq
MediaWiki:Lang/arv
MediaWiki:Lang/ary
MediaWiki:Lang/arz
MediaWiki:Lang/as
MediaWiki:Lang/ase
MediaWiki:Lang/ast
MediaWiki:Lang/atj
MediaWiki:Lang/av
MediaWiki:Lang/avk
MediaWiki:Lang/awa
MediaWiki:Lang/ay
MediaWiki:Lang/az
MediaWiki:Lang/azb
MediaWiki:Lang/es
</pre >
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*Save the file it creates on your computer
*Go to [[Special:Import]] and pick the file you just saved, then import it.
It will tell you if it has worked or not, and if any of those files already existed it will say so (they don't need overwriting)

*test here should show "en" rather than "lang" after - {{int:lang}})
I hope this instructions are clear and you feel OK with this. Assuming this works OK to show mean being able to create nearly 300 files in the next one, and should mean that the fr/es/de messages you are doing one by one could possibly be done this way m [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 11:54, August 14, 2019 (EDT)
: It didn't work. The message on the import page says: "Import failed: No pages to import." I tried several times. It was a great idea which will be very helpful if we can get it to work. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 13:56, August 14, 2019 (EDT)
:: It didn't work because the "MediaWiki:" prefix was missing from the page names. I have added the prefix to the list of pages above. It should now work. Hope this helps.
::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 16:39, August 14, 2019 (EDT)
:::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]], It seems to have worked! The page [[MediaWiki:Lang]] says "en," but the other pages either say the same letter combo in the page title or it is blank. I hope this helped with the project you are tackling. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 17:02, August 14, 2019 (EDT)
::::Awesome! That helps a lot. I'm surprised that some of the pages are blank. I will have to look into that...
::::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 17:09, August 14, 2019 (EDT)
:::::Brilliant!!!!! It works!! Thank you [[User:Kmdenmark]], and for your help [[User:Pyrrhus]]. Did any show up with errors, or did some just look blank? I noticed some are right to left languages, so the code wasn't where I expected. Wikipedia has over 400 language codes so it won't matter if some fail - as long as they aren't the popular ones (es, fr, de, nl, etc).
:::::Can you do the same process for more languages, possibly splitting them up from B-M, then N-Z. May take a few minutes to run through. If there's an option to only show errors I would pick that one. The file of names is huge so will try and do as a subpage in my profile [[User_talk:Notjusttired/code]]. It will be easier to use the Edit menu, Select All or the Ctrl + A keys to highlight than rather than the mouse. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 17:26, August 14, 2019 (EDT)
EDT)
::::The last file is a Javascript .js for - I can't remember why we need it but it's language related. It's from Wikipedia. Getting this far has seriously made my day!! {{Thank}} - Njt
:::You're right, [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]]. The ones that look blank are just on the right side of the screen rather than the left.
:::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 17:39, August 14, 2019 (EDT)
::::Just in case it's not clear, [[User:Kmdenmark]], Notjusttired is asking you to repeat the import, but using the list of pages on [[User_talk:Notjusttired/code]]. Just make sure that each page name is on a separate line and ignore the <nowiki><pre></nowiki> tags.
::::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 17:52, August 14, 2019 (EDT)
:::::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]], [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] Files upload done! I had to upload the files in small batches, but I think all the languages are uploaded. It looks as if user Slomox uploaded the files on January 24, 2009‎. I'm ready to help with the next project. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 11:28, August 19, 2019 (EDT)
::::::Superb! It seems to have gone through perfectly [[User:Pyrrhus]] The next thing would be 2 changes to MediaWiki:Licenses described
#[[MediaWiki_talk:Licenses#Try_system_message on the talk page]] - the "Try system message" and the "Removing 3.5 licenses" ones (scroll down slightly for that.
#Then creating a few new shortcut ones [[MediaWiki_talk:Shortcut]]
#If you would rather do a long import like the Lang one then scroll down here for the '''See also''' one - I think it's around 200 entries but we are only likely to use /de /en /es /fr /nl /no - if you just wanted to do those 6 that would be fine.
Thanks for your super work today. When I checked Recent Changes in MediaWiki there was just one entry - 200 imports from you! [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 16:18, August 19, 2019 (EDT)
:My pleasure! I'm happy to help. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 15:43, August 20, 2019 (EDT)

==See also translations ==
* Can you please create [[MediaWiki:Seealso/en]] with only the value "en" (no speech marks)
* Can you also do an Export from [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Export WikiMedia's Commons Export] to MEpedia's [[Special:Import]] using the list of pages in the "expand/collapse" not below, but without any "pre" bits - just the MediaWiki: page names - there's about 40. Thanks [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 18:44, August 16, 2019 (EDT)
::[[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]], Done! [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 15:35, August 20, 2019 (EDT)

:::Click Expand for the list of pages:
{{collapse top}}
<pre>

MediaWiki:Seealso
MediaWiki:Seealso/ar
MediaWiki:Seealso/bn
MediaWiki:Seealso/br
MediaWiki:Seealso/bs
MediaWiki:Seealso/ca
MediaWiki:Seealso/cs
MediaWiki:Seealso/cy
MediaWiki:Seealso/de
MediaWiki:Seealso/el
MediaWiki:Seealso/eo
MediaWiki:Seealso/es
MediaWiki:Seealso/et
MediaWiki:Seealso/eu
MediaWiki:Seealso/fa
MediaWiki:Seealso/fi
MediaWiki:Seealso/fr
MediaWiki:Seealso/ga
MediaWiki:Seealso/gl
MediaWiki:Seealso/he
MediaWiki:Seealso/hr
MediaWiki:Seealso/hu
MediaWiki:Seealso/it
MediaWiki:Seealso/ko
MediaWiki:Seealso/mk
MediaWiki:Seealso/ml
MediaWiki:Seealso/ms
MediaWiki:Seealso/nds
MediaWiki:Seealso/nl
MediaWiki:Seealso/nn
MediaWiki:Seealso/no
MediaWiki:Seealso/pl
MediaWiki:Seealso/pt
MediaWiki:Seealso/ro
MediaWiki:Seealso/ru
MediaWiki:Seealso/sk
MediaWiki:Seealso/sl
MediaWiki:Seealso/sv
MediaWiki:Seealso/tr
MediaWiki:Seealso/uk
MediaWiki:Seealso/yue
MediaWiki:Seealso/zh
MediaWiki:Seealso/zh-hans

</pre>
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==Spammers==
That was quick spotting the spam account this morning. Would you mind blocking 2 more spammers, we've (or probably you) have already erased the ads on their user pages - [[User:Xfsconnect]] and [[User:Healtone]]. I did ask Jaime but she's in a crash. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 11:03, August 14, 2019 (EDT)
:Done [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 13:51, August 14, 2019 (EDT)
::Thanks again! You have been a very busy bee today. :-)

==Pivot.css==
Hi, I've just realized I had requests for multiple bits of code all over [[MediaWiki_talk:Pivot.css]] and didn't realize. Can you scroll nearly to the bottom, then do the "recent changes" ones (not the footer one)? It's right at the end of a very long conversation. Also thanks for doing the catlinks change earlier today.
[[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 16:10, August 12, 2019 (EDT)
:[[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]], Done. Let me know if correct. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 10:54, August 13, 2019 (EDT)

==Foreign language support ==
Hi Karen! I hope you're doing okay! Njt & I are starting to think about foreign language support, since a user started creating German pages. As part of foreign language support, there are just a few short pages that an admin needs to create. Okay, more than a few, but they are definitely short. And there's absolutely no hurry. If you could help out with creating these pages, it would be "wunderbar"!!!
<br>[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 00:28, August 9, 2019 (EDT)

:I'm good, thx. Hope you are, too. I'm starting the pages now. It shouldn't take too long. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 17:17, August 10, 2019 (EDT)
::Thanks Karen! In case it's not obvious, these changes make the sidebar show up correctly in French, Spanish, and German. When you're done, you can see the fruits of your labor by changing your language preference in [[Special:Preferences]]. Again, there's no hurry and feel free to let me know if you consider any of my requests to be too burdensome! Thanks again!
::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 22:33, August 10, 2019 (EDT)

Here are the pages which need to be created:

{{collapse top}}
*[[MediaWiki:browse]] should just contain "Browse"
*[[MediaWiki:browse/fr]] should just contain "Feuilleter"
*[[MediaWiki:browse/es]] should just contain "Ramonear"
*[[MediaWiki:browse/de]] should just contain "Durchsuche"
*[[MediaWiki:become_an_editor]] should just contain "Become an editor"
*[[MediaWiki:become_an_editor/fr]] should just contain "Devenir éditeur"
*[[MediaWiki:become_an_editor/es]] should just contain "Convertirse en editor"
*[[MediaWiki:become_an_editor/de]] should just contain "Redakteur werden"
*[[MediaWiki:popular_pages]] should just contain "Popular pages"
*[[MediaWiki:popular_pages/fr]] should just contain "Pages populaires"
*[[MediaWiki:popular_pages/es]] should just contain "Páginas populares"
*[[MediaWiki:popular_pages/de]] should just contain "Beliebteste Seiten"
*[[MediaWiki:abbreviations]] should just contain "Abbreviations"
*[[MediaWiki:abbreviations/fr]] should just contain "Les abréviations"
*[[MediaWiki:abbreviations/es]] should just contain "Abreviaturas"
*[[MediaWiki:abbreviations/de]] should just contain "Abkürzungen"
*[[MediaWiki:glossary]] should just contain "Glossary"
*[[MediaWiki:glossary/fr]] should just contain "Glossaire"
*[[MediaWiki:glossary/es]] should just contain "Glosario"
*[[MediaWiki:glossary/de]] should just contain "Glossar"
*[[MediaWiki:about_MEpedia]] should just contain "About MEpedia"
*[[MediaWiki:about_MEpedia/fr]] should just contain "À propos de MEpedia"
*[[MediaWiki:about_MEpedia/es]] should just contain "Acerca de MEpedia"
*[[MediaWiki:about_MEpedia/de]] should just contain "Über MEpedia"
*[[MediaWiki:donate/fr]] should just contain "FAIRE UN DON"
*[[MediaWiki:donate/es]] should just contain "DONAR"
*[[MediaWiki:donate/de]] should just contain "SPENDEN"
*[[MediaWiki:links_for_Editors]] should just contain "Links for editors"
*[[MediaWiki:links_for_Editors/fr]] should just contain "Liens pour les éditeurs"
*[[MediaWiki:links_for_Editors/es]] should just contain "Enlaces para editores"
*[[MediaWiki:links_for_Editors/de]] should just contain "Links für Redakteure"
*[[MediaWiki:contents]] should just contain "Contents"
*[[MediaWiki:contents/fr]] should just contain "Contenu"
*[[MediaWiki:contents/es]] should just contain "Contenido"
*[[MediaWiki:contents/de]] should just contain "Inhalt"
*[[MediaWiki:guidelines]] should just contain "Guidelines"
*[[MediaWiki:guidelines/fr]] should just contain "Des lignes directrices"
*[[MediaWiki:guidelines/es]] should just contain "Pautas"
*[[MediaWiki:guidelines/de]] should just contain "Richtlinien"
*[[MediaWiki:pages_in_need]] should just contain "Pages in need"
*[[MediaWiki:pages_in_need/fr]] should just contain "Pages ayant besoin d'attention"
*[[MediaWiki:pages_in_need/es]] should just contain "Páginas que necesitan atención"
*[[MediaWiki:pages_in_need/de]] should just contain "Seiten in Not"
*[[MediaWiki:advanced_search]] should just contain "Advanced search"
*[[MediaWiki:advanced_search/fr]] should just contain "Recherche avancée"
*[[MediaWiki:advanced_search/es]] should just contain "Búsqueda avanzada"
*[[MediaWiki:advanced_search/de]] should just contain "Erweiterte Suche"
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(Note: all created but some use different names, see [[:Category:Interface explanation]]. ~[[User:Notjusttired|Njt]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]))

==Angus Mackay / Mackay==
Angus Mackay is a PhD student in New Zealand and both the university and science publications spell her surname in inconsistent ways. I can't find out which is right, but either way we are linking to both. Can you use Replace text to change Angus Mackay to Angus Mackay (surname all in lowercase) so at least she won't appear on the wanted pages list because of different spellings. Thanks [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 08:51, July 22, 2019 (EDT)
::Done [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 15:33, July 24, 2019 (EDT)

==July 2019 - Portals==

Thanks for both those changes today! Can you also update the main page - the link to the History and People Portal is going to a redirect. I left a message on the talk page.
Also we have some new templates for communicating - <nowiki > {{Done}} {{Thank}} and {{Thank you}}</nowiki>
[[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 16:09, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
: I think I did it. I did something, hope it is right. LOL [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 17:36, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
::The news change on the History and People page is great. Can you also do the 2 links from the [[Welcome_to_MEpedia|main page]] that go to the History and People Portal? There's a comment on the main page's talk page at the bottom. thanks [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 09:08, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

==June 2018 message==
Hi Karen! Hope you’re doing well. I was wondering if you could help out with a few things?
# Update this page to use a lowercase “Terms of use”: [[MediaWiki talk:Wikimedia-copyrightwarning]]
# Update this page according to the June 8 request: [[MediaWiki talk:Common.css]]
# Update this page according to the June 14 request: [[MediaWiki talk:Licenses]]
# Copy the contents of [[user:Pyrrhus/SideBar]] to [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]
Please let me know if you have any questions! Thanks!
<br>[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 13:42, June 17, 2019 (EDT)
:[[User:Pyrrhus]] I'm fine, thank you. Hope you are doing well, too. The tasks are done to the best of my ability. Again, I'm writing this with fingers-crossed that I did it correctly. You are putting out great work. Thanks for all you do. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 18:19, June 17, 2019 (EDT)
::You're the best, Karen! Thanks! You should probably be careful about typing with fingers crossed- I'm not so sure about the ergonomics of that! ;)
::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 20:26, June 17, 2019 (EDT)
:::[[User:Pyrrhus]] LOL!!! [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 17:03, June 18, 2019 (EDT)

==Fixing "Reference needed" ==
Can you use the replace thing to change <nowiki > <ref>Reference needed</ref> and [[Reference needed]] </nowiki > with <nowiki > {{Citation needed}} </nowiki>. Thank you. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 17:08, July 9, 2019 (EDT)
:Do you mean change the tags as I come across ''' <ref>Reference needed</ref> ''' and ''' [[Reference needed]] ''' in articles that I'm editing or do you mean start a project of finding and replacing all the tags. If the later, maybe I can use the 'replace text' app. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 15:19, July 10, 2019 (EDT)
::I messed up the formatting above, hopefully it now makes more sense. I was wanting you to use the Replace Text to be used for all pages.I change it when I see it bit unless you read the page carefully they are easy to miss in the text [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 18:35, August 1, 2019 (EDT)
:::[[User:Notjusttired]] I did the replace text page with <nowiki>[[Reference needed]]</nowiki> and the page returned:
:::<nowiki>'No pages were found containing the string "[[Reference needed]]".'</nowiki>
:::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 00:18, October 6, 2019 (EDT)

=== old request ===
Hi Karen! Hope you’re doing well and resting, etc. I just wanted to let you know two things:
# I started a first draft of an Admin guide at [[MEpedia:Admin guide]]. Feel free to review, correct or add to as appropriate!
# With a recent developer change, moving a page now moves any redirects pointing to that page as well! No more need to worry about double redirects after a move!
Cheers! [[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 18:39, 16 May 2019 (EDT)
:[[User:Pyrrhus]] Thanks for letting me know. The Admin guide looks good. Where you wrote "(is this right?)," I believe it is correct. Loving that redirects are automatic now! Hope all is well with you, [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 18:56, 16 May 2019 (EDT)

=== Separate Site Notices ===
Hi Karen! I realized that we can have separate site notices at the top of the screen for logged-in users and for non-logged-in users. This will be helpful if we want to distribute an urgent message to all contributors, but not have it be seen by the public. To do this, could you please:
#Copy the contents of [[user:Pyrrhus/Anonnotice]] to [[MediaWiki:Anonnotice]] (this will be the site notice for the public)
#Copy the contents of [[user:Pyrrhus/Sitenotice]] to [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] (this is where admins can place a notice to all contributors)
I hope this makes sense. Please let me know if you have any questions!
<br>[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2019 (EDT)
:Thanks for letting me know. I need a lot of hand holding with programming. Any and all help is greatly appreciated. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 13:17, 27 April 2019 (EDT)

=== thanks!===
Thanks Karen for fixing all my double redirects! I was meaning to get to them, but you beat me to it!
<br>[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 21:44, 23 April 2019 (EDT)
:No problem, [[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]]! Happy to help. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 15:27, 24 April 2019 (EDT)

==ReplaceText extension ==

I'm considering asking for the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Replace_Text ReplaceText] extension to be added - which would be restricted to only certain editors (like yourself). What it would do is when a page was renamed, it would allow you to search for all links to that page and replace them with the new page name. You could also use this for replacing category names or fixing common spelling mistakes.
Using it would involve putting in the actual code for what you want to replace, eg [[:Category:Old Cat]] being replaced with [[:Category:New cat]]. It would do this across ALL pages, so there's the chance of it going wrong I wondered your thoughts on this and whether you would be likely to use it. 08:33, 17 April 2019 (EDT)
:I'm not Karen, but I did just rename a category. It wasn't fun to go through all pages in the category to manually update the category name. If we will be renaming categories in the future, which I suspect we might, this extension will come in very handy. It might even be safer than trying to do the renaming manually. My 1.5 cents. :)
:[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 21:19, 17 April 2019 (EDT)
::[[User:Notjusttired|Notjusttired]] and [[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] - That tool would be very helpful! I wholeheartedly support it being added. I already can think of ways I could use it. Thank you [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 17:49, 18 April 2019 (EDT)
:::Great, I'll ask for it, I've already asked for a few things through [[User:JaimeS]] [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 18:09, 18 April 2019 (EDT)
::::Thumbs up!
:::::[[Special:ReplaceText]] is now installed and both bureaucrats and admins like yourself should have access. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 19:44, June 3, 2019 (EDT)
::::::[[User:Notjusttired]] Great! I think I stumbled on it while revising a page yesterday! [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 10:51, June 4, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::Suggestions for using ReplaceText. 1) Replace <nowiki> <ref>Ref needed</ref> with {{Citation needed}} </nowiki > (there may not be any), and 2) <nowiki> <ref>Reference needed</ref> with {{Citation needed}} </nowiki >, (but without the nowiki bits) - example [[Histamine#References]] Reference 1. This should add citation needed to the relevant pages, and bits that look referenced but aren't.
[[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 19:10, June 6, 2019 (EDT)
:::::::[[User:Notjusttired]] So cool! 20:58, June 6, 2019 (EDT)

==Tasks==
Hi Karen! I was wondering if you could help us out with a few easy admin fixes. They're not urgent, but it sure would be nice to get them fixed:
# The "New User Message" that is left on the talk pages of new users was accidentally placed in the wrong page. We have moved it to the correct location in [[Template:Welcome]]. If you could delete the old page at [[MediaWiki:Newusermessage-template]] it would be much appreciated. (As long as the old page still exists, the server will inappropriately parse the "New User Message".)
# The [[:Category:MEpedia guidelines]] has evolved to include all MEpedia documentation, so I renamed it to [[:Category:MEpedia documentation]]. There are 3 protected pages that need their category updated from [[:Category:MEpedia guidelines]] to [[:Category:MEpedia documentation]]:
## [[MEpedia:Copyrights]]
## [[MEpedia:General_disclaimer]]
## [[MEpedia:About]]
# The first sentence in the [[Contents]] page says "See a condensed version of this page." This links to [[Contents (condensed)]], which was an outdated relic from the time when the [[Contents]] page was the main page, and some people found it too long to read. Now that we have a 'new' main page, we don't need the condensed version, which was terribly outdated anyway. If you could remove that first sentence from the [[Contents]] page, it would be much appreciated. ([[Contents (condensed)]] is now a redirect to [[Contents]].)
# We have a new version of the sidebar links on the lefthand side of the screen. This new version includes new links and separates out links intended for the public and links intended for contributors. All that now needs to be done is to copy-and-paste the contents of [[User:Pyrrhus/MediaWikiSidebar]] into [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]. If you could do this copy-and-paste it would be much appreciated! (I have saved the current contents of [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] in [[User:Pyrrhus/OldMediaWikiSidebar]] just in case something goes wrong and we need to revert back.)
Thank you so much for all your help!
<br>[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 22:57, 12 April 2019 (EDT)

::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] - Made the changes you requested. Let me know if you would like additional changes. Thanks for all your hard work to improve the site. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 13:46, 15 April 2019 (EDT)
:::Wow, thanks Karen! You just made my Monday, I’m thrilled. I obviously need to get out more. ;)
:::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 16:34, 15 April 2019 (EDT)

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Hi. It looks like you are busy added some much needed categories. There's now a page outline for categories that identifies wanted pages and stubs that need expanding - [[MEpedia_article_outlines#Categories]]. If need categories can be added to existing categories that will make them easier to find and easier to browse the larger categories - eg new category [[:Category:Neurological disorders]] can now be found easily from [[:Category:Diagnoses]].

The Contents page contains the main categories but anything not suitable as a subcategory of those can be requested to be added (I've asked for the new Ethics category to be added).

[[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 09:19, 25 March 2019 (EDT)

::Looks good. I believe it will be very helpful. Thank you. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]])

=== Admin fixes ===
Hi Karen! I was wondering if you could help with the following two admin fixes:
# Can you make [[Template:Welcome]] protected so that only admins can change it? (I noticed a potential problem where new users might accidentally alter the New User Message.)
# Can you update the lefthand sidebar to include a link to the Guidelines? All you have to do is copy the contents of [[MediaWiki talk:Sidebar]] to [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]].
:::Did it (hopefully), [[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]]! Let me know if it's correct. Again, thank you for all your work. Each improvement helps so much. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 13:26, 26 April 2019 (EDT)
::::Perfect! Thanks!
::::[[User:Pyrrhus|Pyrrhus]] ([[User talk:Pyrrhus|talk]]) 14:48, 26 April 2019 (EDT)
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Hi, I know you're working a lot on pages in the Outbreaks category at the moment... I have the book ''Postviral Fatigue Syndrome: The Saga of Royal Free disease'' by [[Melvin Ramsay]] and it's got a whole chapter on outbreaks. I think it's worth buying or I can scan in the relevant pages for you if you'd like? I'm working on other categories on MEpedia so I don't see myself getting round to doing the outbreaks pages any time soon. --[[User:Samsara|Samsara]] ([[User talk:Samsara|talk]]) 04:30, 18 October 2016 (PDT)
::Thank you so much for the offer. I would love the scanned pages, but only if it's not too much for you. I've been trying to find contemporaneous articles for the outbreaks but they are often too old to be online (or in another language). I figured that eventually I would try inter-library loans to get more resources to fill in more detail. Take your time about doing it. There are plenty of other topics that I can write about in the meantime. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 14:13, 18 October 2016 (PDT)
:::I will get the scans for you done over Christmas as I'll have lots of free time then! --[[User:Samsara|Samsara]] ([[User talk:Samsara|talk]]) 07:28, 1 December 2016 (PST)
::::Thank you! No hurries, no worries!

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Hi Kmdenmark,

I see a page that needs a MOVE, but I am not sure how to do it. I checked out the information and I am not getting it. Another User found that [[Rich Carlson]] should be [[Rich Carson]]. The name in the page was changed but of course the actual page needs to be moved from Rich Carlson to Rich Carson.

Thanks!--[[User:MEcfsFMS|MEcfsFMS]] ([[User talk:MEcfsFMS|talk]]) 09:48, 11 August 2018 (EDT)

:Hi MEcfsFMS, The move button was turned off to everyone but admins. So if you ever want a page moved, just flag me, Ollie, Jamie or Jen. I went to the misspelled Rich Carson page and changed the "redirect" instruction to "marked for deletion." Ollie checks the list of articles flagged for deletion and deletes them at one sitting. Add this category to any page you want deleted - Category:Articles for deletion and it will be looked at by Ollie.

:I'm glad you are back on MEpedia. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 16:27, 11 August 2018 (EDT)

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Hi Kmdenmark,

So, I uploaded several files I created because I couldn't get the colors, sizing, and text correct. I finally did get it right but now there are several files out there to delete. I can't figure out where all the uploaded files are. lol Anyway, just don't delete this one: '''Fibromyalgia Comorbids and Overlapping Conditions.JPG'''

I think there will be five for you to delete. They all pretty much look the same but I can't remember their exact names but they are all like, Fibro comorbids and variations of that. I think I started around 4 PM? with the first upload.

Thanks again!--[[User:MEcfsFMS|MEcfsFMS]] ([[User talk:MEcfsFMS|talk]]) 00:46, 20 August 2018 (EDT)

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Thanks, Km, I keep forgetting I need to run deletes by Ollie. Appreciate your getting back to me.--[[User:MEcfsFMS|MEcfsFMS]] ([[User talk:MEcfsFMS|talk]]) 11:16, 20 August 2018 (EDT)

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Hey. I've just found a typo in a reference give added to several pages. I thought I had best left you know - I've corrected the original study page plus Carmine Pariante and Alice Russell but not any others. The problem is that author '''Matthew Hopopf''' - his last name is actually '''Hotopf''' - the authorlink is correct just not the last name.

This reference will also change in 2019 when a volume, issue number and page numbers are avaliable, so I had been linking to the source instead.

Thanks for your work on related pages today.

Njt

[[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 14:37, 19 December 2018 (EST)

:Thanks for letting me know. Will look at it now. Hope all is well. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 19 December 2018 (EDT)

== Handling misspelled names ==

Hi and thanks for catching those misspelled names! The help is much appreciated. I'm wondering if there's a reason you prefer to delete the misspelled pages rather than leave them as redirects to the correct names. That's generally the practice for dealing with common misspellings on Wikipedia, for instance, in case a reader makes the same mistake, or another editor does--that way, the person or the link will automatically be directed to the correct page. E.g. right now deleting [[Zach Shan]] would leave [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Zach_Shan|three broken links]], which we can and should fix (I'll take care of it!), but leaving the redirect up ensures that if anyone making the same mistake in the future, the link will still send readers to the correct entry. Does that sounqd ok to you? Thanks much. [[User:Canele|Canele]] ([[User talk:Canele|talk]]) 20:03, 16 January 2019 (EST)

==Michael Beadsworth ==
Csn the Mike Beadsworth page be the main one, with Michael Beadsworth the redirect? Professionally he uses the name Mike far more.
Njt
[[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 13:58, 23 January 2019 (EST)

Sure, sounds good. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 17:57, 23 January 2019 (EST)

== CS1 Error Uses authors parameter ==

I see there is a CS1 Error for a PDF IOM Report I entered. I saw the authors come up when I entered the citation but it did not seem to "load" the name in the author field as a blue link. But, I did not pay much attention. So, I just updated and then of course changed all the appropriate pages with this same iformation. https://www.me-pedia.org/index.php?title=Category:CS1_maint:_Uses_authors_parameter&action=edit&redlink=1

Now, what I am trying to figure out is will the citation not take Authors on a PDF or is there some other reason? What would be the best fix? I tried putting in this link for the citation on the SEID page using this website: http://www.nationalacademies.org/hmd/Reports/2015/ME-CFS.aspx but it did not fix the issue.

I will fix all the pages but I just need to know what you think is the best fix for this. Maybe it is temporary and authors just are not loading on citations right now?--[[User:MEandCFS|MEandCFS]] ([[User talk:MEandCFS|talk]]) 15:25, 29 January 2019 (EST)

I had made the changes for these pages under ''See also'' heading for the SEID criteria citation.--[[User:MEandCFS|MEandCFS]] ([[User talk:MEandCFS|talk]]) 15:28, 29 January 2019 (EST)

::My apologies, [[User:MEandCFS|MEandCFS]], I have no background in programming, so I don't know what or why anything on MEpedia works. LOL. I usually just play around with it like you did until I get the desired results. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 20:09, 29 January 2019 (EST)

==Categories for UK politicians ==

Hi. Can you avoid removing politicians from the categories for political parties? This is crucial information for advocacy and not held elsewhere. Labour/Co-op members are considered members of both parties so need to be in more than one category. Keeping them as categories allows someone to look for UK adbocates, then use the subcategories to find just politicians for political parties or fod which committee they are on - one committee is investigating the PACE trial Parties cover both MPs and the unelected House of Lords.

Also please don't mark redirects for deletion - they are there to help from the correctly spelled page - searching the incorrect name means MEpedia then find the correct page name too.
[[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 13:06, 7 February 2019 (EST)

== New Category Page ==

Hello,

I think we need a new '''Category Page''' called "Mental Health" for pages like [[Munchausen syndrome by proxy]] and the yet to be created page [[Mental health]] which at this time is a red link.

I don't know how to create category pages and you might want to name the category page something else.

Thanks for your help.--[[Special:Contributions/76.18.68.198|76.18.68.198]] 10:55, 14 February 2019 (EST)

::Good idea. Let me research what wikipedia calls their mental health categories [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 11:57, 14 February 2019 (EST)

== Category for 'Intimidation of PACE' critics page ==

Hello,

I know I can't figure out a category for this page. [[Intimidation of PACE critics]]

Can you? lol Tag, your it!--[[User:MEandCFS|MEandCFS]] ([[User talk:MEandCFS|talk]]) 09:12, 21 February 2019 (EST)

== Categories for Books ==

Hi,

I am not certain if the word "Genre" should be used for all the [https://www.me-pedia.org/wiki/Category:Books books] genres already created. I saw there was "Memoir" and "Genre" fiction so I set up "Genre psychology" but, perhaps the latter only need to be "Fiction" or "Psychology" or "Memoir" should be "Genre memoir". I think genre is a good idea as I would like to find books under "History" quickly.

Then, of course, a genre would have to be set up for all the book pages out there and the new genre category linked to the "Books" category. ahem...I know I don't care to do that project. : )

But, I figure I would bring it to your attention that we should at least make a decision on how to set up the genre page we have, by the word Genre attached or not.

Hope what I just wrote makes sense.--[[Special:Contributions/77.111.245.220|77.111.245.220]] 17:16, 22 February 2019 (EST)

:I am thinking Genre needs to be included. For instance, ''Osler's Web'' and ''Thirty Years of Disdain'' both have "History" and they ended up here. https://www.me-pedia.org/wiki/Category:History
:Perhaps they should be on the "History" category page, but without "Genre history" we can't create a subgroup for the category "Books".--[[Special:Contributions/77.111.245.220|77.111.245.220]] 18:46, 22 February 2019 (EST)

::I agree. I think it works better to have a descriptor in the category that denotes books, such as, Category:Genre psychology or Category:Psychology books. 'Psychology' and 'History' are too broad a topic to stand alone. Please feel free to make whatever changes you think improves the site. If later you don't like it or someone thinks of something better, we can easily change it again. My best, [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 19:05, 22 February 2019 (EST)

== User Paulitasofia1 uploading images without licenses, citations on images make no sense ==

[[Paulitasofia1]] keeps uploading images without licenses and the citations used on the images make no sense. They go to a generic PET page on Science Direct.

I did contact this user before when they uploaded to the POTS page without a license and gave an example on how to do so.http://208.97.133.164/wiki/User_talk:Paulitasofia1

Also, one image with a citation is from a page with copyrights; I have removed it from the PET page and marked the upload for deletion. http://208.97.133.164/wiki/File:FDG.png

The second, third, and fourth images with citations #2,4, and 5 are all generic Science Direct pages and did not, as far as I can see, come from this study.

The user will either need to be blocked or blocked from uploading images. Also, can we stop images from being uploaded unless a license is selected? And, I don't think we should be able to select the option on image license of "Not Certain" or whatever that option is.

I don't see how we can keep these images up. Most may be from Wikimedia but now we have to go back and properly cite and license them.

Image number six has been properly cited as I found the correct full text but I will have to put a license on it when I find it.--[[User:MEandCFS|MEandCFS]] ([[User talk:MEandCFS|talk]]) 11:39, 27 February 2019 (EST)

::Let me see if I can find out what to do. Thanks for letting me know. My best, [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 15:24, 28 February 2019 (EST)

::While we wait for an admin to take action:
:::1)you can leave a brief explanation on the article's talk page for that article saying "image removed - no license" or "awaiting permission for use of image." You don't have to fix it yourself. (I'm wondering if s/he doesn't know to check his/her messages on his/her user page.)
:::2)you can tag the page {{Cleanup | reason=Image needs proper license and citations needed| date=}}
:::3) both :)

== Pages for deletion (old Portal pages) -- [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 19:11, July 5, 2019 (EDT) ==

I marked some pages for deletion today. Can you wait maybe a week before deleting just in case I made a mistake? I've blanked the pages and tested and it seems OK. Strangely there are still some links somewhere looking for subpages of the Heart and Brain Portals that no longer exist. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 19:11, July 5, 2019 (EDT)
:: [[User:Notjusttired]] Yes, of course, no problem. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 16:38, July 8, 2019 (EDT)

==Cleanup templates ==

Hi. I was wondering how you were doing after not seeing you around for a little while. Are you OK-ish?

With the cleanup templates like the tidy one, I'm planning to create slight variations on the templates with a reason already filled in for each. So that's why Tidy was going to Cleanup/Tidy citations. Currently there is just Cleanup and [[Template:Cleanup/POV]] finished. The idea is that we will be able to categorize things by the reason for the cleanup by picking it right from the menu in the Visual editor, and it should save time typing in reasons too. I think there's a discussion on [[Template_talk:Cleanup]]. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 18:01, July 30, 2019 (EDT)

: I'm doing well, thanks, for now. ;) You know, I'm sure, the up and down nature of the illness. I hope you are doing well, too.
: Regarding the templates: Sounds good. Thanks for doing it. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 14:10, August 1, 2019 (EDT)

== -- [[Special:Contributions/76.18.68.198|76.18.68.198]] 10:36, September 3, 2019 (EDT) ==

Hi Kmdenmark,

FYI. You can use an image from a newspaper article when the image goes along with it. The NY Times article ''Brains of People With Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Offer Clues About Disorder'' has the brain images. So, when noting the article here: https://www.me-pedia.org/wiki/Brains_of_People_With_Chronic_Fatigue_Syndrome_Offer_Clues_About_Disorder_-_New_York_Times:_Well_(2014) or if the article is on the Primer page, that image can be used. It can't be used without the article.

Please, get the image back on the page about the article and on the Primers. --[[Special:Contributions/76.18.68.198|76.18.68.198]] 10:36, September 3, 2019 (EDT)
: The image has been restored. May I say whom am I speaking to? [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 10:58, September 3, 2019 (EDT)

== Malcx ==

Hi, [[Special:Contributions/Malcx|Malcx]] is not contributing anything. Their only purpose seems to be to troll, harass and vandalize; probably what they have done on Wikipedia before. I'd appreciate a speedy end to their access to this project. Thanks in advance, [[User:Guido den Broeder|Guido den Broeder]] ([[User talk:Guido den Broeder|talk]]) 13:33, September 14, 2019 (EDT)

===Re: Malcx -- [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 17:04, September 16, 2019 (EDT)===

: New guidelines are being discussed among leadership in hopes to resolve such editing issues. Stay tuned. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 17:04, September 16, 2019 (EDT)

== Notjusttired‎ ==

I am requesting a topic ban / interaction ban for [[user:notjusttired|notjusttired]], who stalks me to every page I edit and vandalizes them by making error upon error, not heeding my repeated requests to stop. [[User:Guido den Broeder|Guido den Broeder]] ([[User talk:Guido den Broeder|talk]]) 16:19, September 15, 2019 (EDT)
:See also [https://www.me-pedia.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Notjusttired&diff=70033&oldid=70032&diffmode=source here] where they are stating that creating conditions to allow ME patients to edit comfortably is ridiculous, and wish to force everyone to use their style of preference. [[User:Guido den Broeder|Guido den Broeder]] ([[User talk:Guido den Broeder|talk]]) 18:07, September 15, 2019 (EDT)

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==New template ==
Can you let me know if this is OK [[Template:Blocked/doc#Examples]]. I changed from "temporarily banned" to just "banned" then it can be used for permanent bans. But it's easy to create a different template for a permanent ban if you would prefer. There is still a minor layout tweak to move the text away from the image but it's fine to use as it is. Also see [[Template:Unwanted_edits]], so far not used. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 18:19, September 17, 2019 (EDT)
Update: Finished [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 18:41, September 17, 2019 (EDT)

== ME/CFS Page Needs Small Edit -- [[User:Loopy|Loopy]] ([[User talk:Loopy|talk]]) 10:34, October 10, 2019 (EDT) ==

Hi,

I just need to let you know that the caption for Carol Head's image needs to state she is "former" CEO.

Thanks,

Loopy
:{{done}} Thanks for letting me know, [[User:Loopy|Loopy]]. [[User:Kmdenmark|Kmdenmark]] ([[User talk:Kmdenmark|talk]]) 15:01, October 10, 2019 (EDT)