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==Link policy == I believe we need to add a new heading with an external link policy, and The shortcuts [[MEpedia:MOSLINK]] and [[MEpedia:EL]] can be created to link to it. I would suggest the content below: [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 17:38, September 15, 2019 (EDT) <pre > ==Link policy== Editors must not link to their personal website except a single link on an article when it is the official website for that topic, or a single link on the editor's user page. Editors with multiple websites may only link to one of their website. Promotion of a website you own is not allowed. ===Ref spam=== References, ''Learn more'' links and other external links must follow the [[MEpedia:Science guidelines]]. Personal websites must not be linked to and sources must be notable and reliable websites. Repeatedly citing personal websites is known as ''ref spam'', as described on [[WP:REFSPAM|Wikipedia]. ===Websites in foreign languages=== Foreign language websites must not be referenced or linked to from English pages, unless the link or reference is the ''official website'' for the page's topic, e.g., a link to Fluge's website in Norwegian can only be used on Fluge's page. Articles published in foreign language journals should be supported by an additional citation or Abstract in English. Audio and videos on languages that are not the same as the page's language must not be linked to or referenced. ===Promotional links === Links to reviews or recommendations about items for sale, e.g., books, videos, or supplements are not allowed. This includes videos, book reviews, blog links and other links. ==Affiliate links == External links that earn a commission, referral or other free are not allowed on MEpedia. These are typically used in items for sale and should be replaced by non-affilate links. </pre > [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 20:16, September 15, 2019 (EDT) :I think not. For instance, the MEA sells [[The Purple Book]] for a small price. However, it contains their view on ME/CFS and hence to refer to it is important. Note that most scientific publications are behind a paywall, or you need a subscription to the journal. Books have to be bought as well. We have costs, and a desire to stay alive, so we are not giving you everything for free. [[User:Guido den Broeder|Guido den Broeder]] ([[User talk:Guido den Broeder|talk]]) 20:27, September 15, 2019 (EDT) :Wikipedia and Wikisage, meanwhile, are nobody's personal websites. We regularly link to them at 'Learn more' and will keep doing so. What language the information is written in is of no consequence. We will also link to personal websites like Hummingbirds and Sarah Myhill's wiki as often as we need to. [[User:Guido den Broeder|Guido den Broeder]] ([[User talk:Guido den Broeder|talk]]) 20:37, September 15, 2019 (EDT) :I think the bit on foreign languages might be a little too strong. I think it should be discouraged to refer to non-English sources, but in some cases, this is the only option. Some foreign researchers have made important or revealing statements in non-English languages only, for example Wyller supporting the Lightning process or Bleijenberg saying that severe ME/CFS patients do not want CBT because they prefer to have a stable situation. With google translate it's also becoming easier to check things in a language you're not fluent in. So in my view, referencing to a non-English source should be discouraged but allowed if it contains unique and important information.--[[User:Sisyphus|Sisyphus]] ([[User talk:Sisyphus|talk]]) 06:18, September 16, 2019 (EDT) ::The exception you suggest sounds good Guido, although I think it useful to suggest adding a second source in the page language that cites it, which is extremely easy using [http://scholar.google.com Google scholar]'s "cited by" option or researchgate. It should not be interpreted as excluding research simply because of its publication language, but a case of trying to include verification in the correct language too. Many foreign language source have English abstracts, but that will be little use on say, German language pages. You make a good point about Google translate [[User:Sisyphus]], but some sources are video or radio interviews and I am not sure of the accuracy of Japanese translations. ::Points about ME Association purple book are irrelevant: we won't be creating a page for it and it's sent free to all UK doctors if a patient requests it. Having said that, I don't think a link directly to the book is important, although it should be mentioned since it's free service within the UK. Wikisage is Guido's personal website, as we know and Wikipedia is already disallowed as a source. ::Jodi is dead as I'm sure you know, and her Hummingbirds Foundation charity continues. The final wording should not imply that an open access is expected linking to abstracts or referring to book page numbers is fine. As for Myhill's website, most statements are unreferenced so should be referred to as her view only, although her mitochondria research is peer reviewed. [[User:Notjusttired|notjusttired]] ([[User talk:Notjusttired|talk]]) 10:15, September 16, 2019 (EDT) :::Please make sure to sign your posts, or it is impossible to respond. :::Wikipedia, Wikisage and other online encyclopediae are indeed not considered reliable sources, but they are valid links for 'Learn more' sections. FYI, Wikisage counts over 56,000 articles, created by some 600 users (and many more that worked on them on Wikipedia). I've only written a few dozen myself. Which articles we can or can't create is not for you to decide. [[User:Guido den Broeder|Guido den Broeder]] ([[User talk:Guido den Broeder|talk]]) 12:17, September 16, 2019 (EDT)
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