MediaWiki talk:Uploadtext

Information overload
This is too much information and obstructs the use of the form - at least on a small screen - because you must scroll past it to access the buttons or upload anything. Other information could be collapsed. Having essential information moved under the submit button is an option if there is a system message for under the form options. User:Pyrrhus ~Njt (talk) 11:32, November 9, 2019 (EST)
 * I don't think we need the translated system messages in the default description - and the boxes like description will already be translated. I think the headings should stay though.
 * Some of the information could be moved to a help page. Currently the help information links to MediaWiki but I don't see how to change this link
 * Tooltips could be used eg MediaWiki:upload-form-label-infoform-description-tooltip, upload-form-label-infoform-name-tooltip
 * Files don't really have titles we should use name instead if we aren't already doing this . Having just fine an upload it would be best to have '==Description==' as the first heading, and change the Author heading to 'Author or Citation', and perhaps 'Source' should be 'Source / Link'.


 * Thanks for reviewing this, Njt! As you suggested, I moved the excess information to below the "Upload file" button.  Yes, the default "Summary:" description is currently too confusing/intimidating for someone who doesn't know wikitext.  Note that the term "Title", not "Description", is recommended by Creative Commons. I have updated the help link at the top-right of the screen, thanks for pointing that out!
 * Pyrrhus (talk) 19:30, November 9, 2019 (EST)
 * The help link change is great. Although the Notes are lower down, it's still 2 and a bit screens of scrolling to get to the lyrics. I think many of the instructions can be in tooltips/question mark links next to the relevant box. Some things are very obvious and don't need describing eg "4 easy steps", "click Upload". The only truly important information is the choice of license.
 * See the old Commons upload form] for the help buttons - this allows all the information to be there, without the clutter. The more text there is, the more likely it is that everyone will scroll past and just try the form. If we could keep the instructions to 2 lines only, they should read it. (Also, on narrower/smaller screens any use of bullets or indenting usually means text will wrap over more lines than before.) Also on the Commons form, coloured backgrounds are used as a heading for the two important pieces of information, and the line spacing has been reduced so the start of the form AND the key info are both visible at once. ~Njt (talk) 20:30, November 9, 2019 (EST)

Smaller text is too tiny on small screens
Please change back to its original size. Headings could be used instead of 1. 2. 3. numbering, which would mean less text is indented. The @media screen queries on Common.css can be used to shrink large text if that's necessary on desktops. Alternatively there might be an existing "hideonsmall" class that could be used eg to hide the extra description on mobiles / tablets. I left you a suggestion on Slack for words that can be removed while keeping the key information there. ~Njt (talk) 00:47, November 13, 2019 (EST)

Italics
Italics are less readable and should not be used for the key terms at the start of the sentences, bold can is better for emphasis. ~Njt (talk) 00:47, November 13, 2019 (EST)